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Excellent explanation, Conder. It really helps me visualize the process.
Now, someone explain how you can do that to nickel, and come up with devices as bold as those created by a hardened steel die.
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I'm simply unable to visualize the process ... (ADCD?) - Attention Deficit Counterfeit Disorder? It must be contagious Exoguy, I am still having trouble visualizing it, even with Condor's excellent description. |
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Exactly what I'm baffled about Dave. This "soft die" made that impression on the existing nickel?
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Was my theory about a partial lamination being stuck on the die and then struck into the coin ruled out? If so, why? The soft die theory seems to have me wondering why would anyone would want to take the time and effort do that? Thank You.
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It looks likes it's ruled out.
These stars were added as a result of a soft counterfeit die by a person outside the mint with the sole intention of passing this off as an error coin thus hoping to make a profit.
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If the soft counterfeit dies theory is true, I suspect the maker carried this as a pocket piece to amuse others hence the even wear. Reasonable assumption?
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I'd like to ask him..if he was still alive :-)
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There are at least three sets of stars in addition to the original. So when y'all talk about 'second' strike - I assume you are talking about all the strikes.
I, too, am curious how a 'soft die' would leave the impression of a star in the field between two other stars without distorting those pre-existing stars - but it apparently happened to this nickel three times. My photos are on page 10 if you haven't noticed them all.
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But one could have a counterfeit doubled die, hence a single strike could leave 2 extra sets of stars. Hey why not?
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I, too, am curious how a 'soft die' would leave the impression of a star in the field between two other stars without distorting those pre-existing stars I think the pre-existing stars have been distorted. When I look at the pre-existing stars near the spot that was struck with soft dies, those appear to be in much lower relief and almost blend into the field unlike the stars on the left side of the obverse. Quote:
But one could have a counterfeit doubled die, hence a single strike could leave 2 extra sets of stars. I think that is possible. If the counterfeit soft die was made by hammering a genuine coin into a piece of metal, it is entirely plausible that it took more than one hit to bring up enough details to satisfy the maker. In between those hits, the coin could have shifted slightly creating a doubled impression in the die. Another possibility is when the coin was struck by the soft die, the coin and/or the die shifted slightly in between the multiple blows that is may have need to create the extra stars. I am not sure which one it is or if there could be a another possibility. These were the first 2 that came to mind. If this is not too much to ask for, do you think we could get a nice large image of the reverse? While it not nearly as interesting as the obverse, I think it would be helpful to those reading the thread to be able to see the entire coin. |
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I'll let Bobby know DE.
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I, too, am curious how a 'soft die' would leave the impression of a star in the field between two other stars without distorting those pre-existing stars - but it apparently happened to this nickel three times. My photos are on page 10 if you haven't noticed them all. Is it possible that this is the 2nd or 3rd strike with the soft die? The other 2 fainter stars are from the 1st and 2nd strikes, transferred to the soft die during those strikes, then transferred to this coin on the 3rd strike? |
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Couldn't wax be placed onto the coin to limit where the second and third strikes from the counterfeit die would not show so much? Just a theory, but plausible to me.
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Exo, I've looked at your coin over and over and I think it tells a different story than most have been suggesting.
I'm of the opinion that your coin happened at the Mint.
Could I even be remotely correct suggesting that?
We all know nickel is incredibly hard and great pressure is required for even a faint impression.
Dunno. Again, I'm just brainstorming.
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