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I sure would like to know how this is done after leaving the Mint..your coin and my coin. Again, if someone can duplicate my coin or ExoGuy's coin, I'd sure like to see it.
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The coin is no longer perfectly round, but it doesn't appear to be damaged. To me, it appears to have shifted between strikings. And the lighter impression appears beneath the "normal strike", almost like a repunching on the die.  Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but how could that be done post-mint? |
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Maybe, instead of the error experts, we need to consult with the magician's union?
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"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I agree with Mike Ellis and all others who've concluded that this coin was struck with a counterfeit die of relatively soft consistency after it left the mint. The flattened obverse rim and the absence of any sharp interruption in either set of design elements leads me to no other conclusion. The counterfeit die was evidently tilted down toward the southeast when it delivered its impact.
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Thanks for chiming in, Mike. Is that also your opinion on the 1909, previous page?
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10/01/2014 10:07 am
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Thanks, Mike! I'll see what I can do on the 1909. I struggle with the coin pics ...
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10/01/2014 11:19 am
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I'll need enlarged shots of the entire obverse and reverse.
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 So in this case, at least, the "lower," more faint impression has to be the original Mint strike. One can easily see the strength remaining of that impression in many places where the (plainly) more recent strike obliterates those details. Had that fainter impression been the newer (counterfeit) one, it seems clear the impact would have had enough strength to damage the bolder letters at least the C and the U, and almost certainly the dot and probably the E. Stoney's coin seems somewhat more straightforward, the only hurdle for me (with both sets of stars so close together) is how the fields of the newer strike didn't damage the (raised) stars of the older. I'm working on grokking it.  |
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I'd need to see quality enlargments of both faces of the 1909 nickel to draw any conclusion.
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We'll have them in a few days.
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Thanks for your expertise Mike, much appreciated.
The southeast impact would account for the coins slight thinness in that part of the rim I'm assuming, thus accounting for the slight wobble on a flat surface. I'm also seeing slight differences in the stars which would make sense. This must have taken tremendous force and if done outside the Mint, I can't imagine with what and why.
Bobby, if need be, we can send the coin to Mike if he wants to examine it as well. It's on its way.
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This topic is too good not to bring to the attention of the Barber Coin Collectors' Society. Steve Hustad is our variety coordinator and here is what he has to say:
Today at 4:45 PM
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Hi Matthew,
Thanks for sending me the link with the photo - - " very interesting!
(Is there a photo of the reverse available?).
But my opinion would be that the die that struck this coin suffered some severe die clash damage and was likely removed from the presses shortly after this and (who knows how many others?) were struck.
The clue is the same orientation of the stars (though offset), along with the ghost of the rear of the head and hair outlines.
Still, a very interesting piece worthy of an article in the BCCS journal if you're so inclined?
Thanks again,
Steve Hustad
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What has stuck me throughout the discussion has been the collaboration of the numismatists among our members.
It is this cooperation that I wish to bring to the BCCS membership. And it would be yet another opportunity for the CCF to get into print!
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Did you get my email Matthew?
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