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Is This Coin Fake..? Looking For Help.

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 Posted 10/11/2014  7:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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just doesn't look right to me..
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 Posted 10/11/2014  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heavily Polished/Cleaned. And it might be fake, but I have no prior experience with Canadian coins, but I know polished coins.
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 Posted 10/11/2014  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rottnrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally would have nothing to do with that coin!!

Looks suspicious!
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 Posted 10/11/2014  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With a coin asking that price, I would expect a better picture or see it imbedded in a graded slab.
The feedback profile doesn't give a clue on the seller except that he hasn't had much dealing with coins, at least on ebay.

If you are interested in the coin, wouldn't hurt to ask a few questions and better pictures.
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 Posted 10/11/2014  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skip79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does appear suspect, but the photos are terrible. I'd ask the seller to post better pics w/ more lighting (and take out of the flip). It is however heavily cleaned/polished as CC2000 noted. I personally would never buy a 48 silver dollar that wasn't certified a TPG, just for authenticity purposes.
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 Posted 10/11/2014  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look where George's forehead meets his hair. Is his rug so obvious on a real coin?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/11/2014  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could the seller post better pictures, out from under the plastic?
Innocent request perhaps, but I don't know if he is hiding anything or not.

I would also like to do a comparative ring tone test and weigh it before placing a bid.
Can't do that with ebay.

The other alternative is to deal with an ebay seller who has an unquestioned reputation that you know you can trust, in the selling of high value coins.

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 Posted 10/11/2014  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
im gonna say fake the 8 looks off also the word dollar
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10/12/2014 11:48 am
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 Posted 10/11/2014  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well guys, it is interesting how you all are trying to make this coin a Fake.
u all have your personal reasons, and that is ok.
BUT to judge on photos like this... one would like to suggest that these were done purposely. BUT who knows.
I would not touch this coin , having only the sellers images, taken through plastic, to go by.
Further, what bugs me is this; NO returns! for whatever it means, because ebay will force him to a return if justified.
and another aspect: he sells comics and phones. where does he get a 48 from. Possible? yes, but?
Did you guys notice that all his other images a crystal clear?
why not take the object out of the darn plastic and take pix then? guesses.. guesses
Perhaps Nickels guy will join in?
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 Posted 10/11/2014  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a fake, even in the seller's poor pics the marker I described is evident.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/12/2014  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

When spending that kind of money, insist on certified
from a reputable grading firm.

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I wouldn't bid without clearer pictures. The shape of the 8 looks similar to that I have seen on other fake 48 dollars.
Agree with 47P7, how come his other listings have clear pictures?
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 Posted 10/12/2014  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again guys, it is not fair using the sellers images to positively stamp this coin as a fake!
DBM, there were several dies used and the marker you mention might perhaps suggest it to be a Fake, again judging on the images.
But, none of the pix is taken straight up and photographic angles and light can cause details to look different than they are.
And NO, I assure you, it is not my ebay listing. However, I have a considerable "collection" of images of Fake CAN silver dollars.
A reasonable safe way to ID a fake is to have one certified coin to compare with, or sharp pix of certified coins.
If you have a serious concern with this auction, please convey this to the seller and to ebay. If he is a responsible seller, he will take action.
It is interesting that you all want to be experts in a situation which can NOT be really judged by the images.
Did any of you ever have a Fake Dollar in your hand, regardless of what year? Would you actually recognize one? (besides the very obvious and very early types from China which were identified by the grey metal color alone and the large L and a few other obvious markers.)
I have sent the seller a note, asking him to post sharp pix TODAY, without the plastic. I also advised him that it is illegal to possess a fake in Canada and that selling it can possibly land him up to 14 years in jail.
This is NOTHING personal, but lets assume for a second, that the seller is not aware of the issue with this item. And a bunch of guys, because they do not like the look of it, stamp it to be a fake without having any "probable cause". Now, lets also assume that the seller might be one of you, anyone, absolutely innocent. The damage is done and your reputation is blemished. Now think again..
this blurb is not to defend the seller, nor to accuse you of wrong doing, but to simply suggest that the seller might not be aware and the possible consequences.
Lets see what happens. Lets see if he will accommodate my request. Lets see which way it goes.
I wish NickelsGuy would chime in....
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 Posted 10/12/2014  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A number of years ago I did own a pair of Chinese counterfeit dollars. They both had the same indented hair/forehead junction as the ebay coin appears to have. I also have a set of nickelsguy's pics of fakes, many in his pics also have the same hairline feature. On genuine coins the forehead always rises to touch the hair in almost a straight line.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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OK guys I have cleaned up the images and from what I see the coin looks legit but I do have a bit of concern with the forehead.. Maybe these will help

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well I just took out my pics of my 3 48's and they all have the same forehead..NOT like this one ..This one is wavy from the bridge of the nose up to the hairline.. FAKE
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