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Anyone Else Think This One Has Been Cleaned? PCGS

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 Posted 12/18/2014  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I've seen the coin in hand and doesn't look much different than the pics....lackluster coin in my opinion. And for that money I want something I'll keep and be happy with....Plenty out there at any given time as well.
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 Posted 12/18/2014  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a nice coin...and I don't see anything that screams "cleaned" based off the pix, that being said I'd personally never consider buying it. There's plenty of REALLY GREAT coins that you will be happy with given a $1k budget. Have you considered a GSA?
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 Posted 12/18/2014  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It'd be for my set.....looking in the xf range
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 Posted 12/19/2014  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, it is NOT cleaned. PCGS, the best and most reliable TPG ever created therefor demanding respect and higher values on ANYTHING they slab, says it is not cleaned, then it is not cleaned.

HOW DARE YOU question the God and master PCGS?
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 Posted 12/19/2014  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LogPotato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell much from those pictures, but I don't see any hairlines or anything like that. I agree with DoubleEagle20, it has the classic look of a dipped circulated coin. In my opinion, dipping is just another form of cleaning, but it's a market acceptable form of cleaning to some. As a strict circulated coin collector, this coin has no appeal to me whatsoever.
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I've seen everything short of holed in a problem free PCGS holder so use your best judgement.
I don't like it but that's just me.
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 Posted 12/19/2014  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LogPotato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The same has been seen in other TPG holders as well. Let's not get it twisted. Humans make mistakes no matter which company they work for.
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I've seen cleaned CBH's in graded PCGS holders, so it really does reaffirm the statement "buy the coin, not the holder".

LogPotato, you and I would get along well together. To me a dipped coin is an altered coin. For instance, and to the consternation of many I assume, I consider none of the Central America gold to be truly MS. It was subject to a chemical cleaning process after recovery, not much different than dipping a coin. At best the coins are AU. Did I buy one? Yes, but I bought a nice looking correctly graded AU double eagle that is not exhibiting the hazed look due to the cleaning process.
This 1895-S Morgan is an example of yet another coin destroyed by dipping.
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 Posted 12/20/2014  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There isn't enough photographic information for anyone to make a qualitative judgement of the surfaces.
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A local brick and mortar shop has a counterfeit IHC that was graded
and slabbed by PCGS. It is on display in the shop...
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Are you sure the whole thing isn't fake?
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 Posted 12/20/2014  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LogPotato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a circulated coin with white surfaces, that's qualitative enough for me.
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the coin's shine should not look like that in a problem free XF grade.
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It may not have been cleaned. Hard to tell from pictures. It may have just been in a vault bag for a 100 years, then just passed around by collectors.
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I dunno. Is this one cleaned?

Anyone-Else-Think-This-One-Has-Been-Cleaned?--PCGS

Anyone-Else-Think-This-One-Has-Been-Cleaned?--PCGS

Keep in mind, when a cruddy coin circulates, or gathers crud while in circulation, it's going to get crammed into the nooks and crannies, and the exposed surfaces will look "cleaned."
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