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Anyone Else Think This One Has Been Cleaned? PCGS

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 Posted 01/13/2015  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peldini to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OP, I would say that it is probably dipped and most likely well circulated. Any TPG can make mistakes, they see thousands of coins at a time and don't have hours to pour over every coin.
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 Posted 01/13/2015  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krusti-Koin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it was dipped to me. As I understand PCGS grading standards, a coin can be dipped and still be given a numerical grade. Am I correct on that?
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 Posted 01/13/2015  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Done right, you can't tell a coin has been dipped. Nobody in their right mind dips a circulated coin, although that's no guarantee this one hasn't. I just object to the idea of taking these images as Gospel regarding the surfaces, because they're not good enough.
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 Posted 01/13/2015  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has it been cleaned? IMO nearly all, 95%+ of all business strike coins pre-1933, have been cleaned to some degree (whether in a straight grade holder or not). It's a matter of degree of cleaning. Ever wonder why NGC says "improperly cleaned or harshly cleaned" on their holders, it's because nearly all coins have been cleaned, but, certain cleaning is acceptable or "proper". So, has this coin been cleaned, yes, but PCGS deemed the cleaning "proper"
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 Posted 01/13/2015  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Nobody in their right mind dips a circulated coin


There must be some "crazy" EAC dealers out there, then. While perhaps not a common practice, I have heard that some of them will "strip" an early copper, using silver dip, then retone the piece. Also, I hear tell that there's a most sought after restorer (cleaner) of early coppers on the west coast whose restorations command in the thousands from rare copper dealers. He's that good ...

IMHO, the 1895-S $1 has likely been dipped. Buy the coin, not the slab. To my thinking, the PCGS holder helps give some assurance of the coin being genuine, but that's about as far as it goes. They can err on the genuineness of a coin, too.

The great majority of our early coins have been "cleaned" or conserved in some way or another, these past hundred years or so. It's the obvious cleaning that typically commands our attention, methinks.
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Well this has evolved into a hum-dinger of a thread.
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Dipped.... out. Market graded. The TPGs have a much higher tolerance level for better-date coins like that.

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