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I don't think they have one, and really don't see why they should have one as it seems a waste of time :)
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Australia
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a little birdy told me that the grader at APCGS grades his own coins , how can this be a legitimate operation if it that allows this to happen , the graders (YES TWO PEOPLE GRADE EACH COIN ) at PCGS do not grade theIr own coins nor do they know who the coins they grade belong to , now that is true THIRD PARTY GRADING
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I think the little birdy (aka yourself) may need to get the facts correct before they slander a company with no evidence. From what I have heard Shane does not even grade at all, and yes there is two graders involved in APCGS. Thanks for the laugh tonight, I will have a great nights sleep :) I might even email them tomorrow with the screenshot and they can have a good laugh as well
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04/20/2015 08:27 am
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Australia
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I think the little birdy (aka yourself) may need to get the facts correct before they slander a company with no evidence. From what I have heard Shane does not even grade at all, and yes there is two graders involved in APCGS. Thanks for the laugh tonight, I will have a great nights sleep :) I might even email them tomorrow with the screenshot and they can have a good laugh as well What is all this talk about "Screen Shots" ? Can't the people from APCGS access this site themselves ? I have kept out of this discussion because just about everyone knows what my opinion on APCGS is, PNC king hates this mob and all you are doing is "Baiting " him in order to make APCGS look good. I am pretty sure that you have a Vested interest in Inflating this company's reputation and that is what your agenda is here. The ONLY way this company is going to be able to "Earn" a reputation as a reputable and accurate grading company is to "Walk away" from the APCGS label and start Fresh. I would Love to be able to have my coins graded in Australia to international standards but at the moment APCGS is the only option and to me that is a very bad choice because if its Tarnished reputation and because of some of the identities affiliated with it are NOT regarded well by most of the collecting community in Australia. When APCGS first started up it was indeed a basement slabbing operation, This MAY have changed but the stigma will never go away, I am led to believe that there are fresh owners of this company and they are trying to get things right and that is a good thing. The sad thing is that the brand APCGS in Australia is forever doomed and is shunned by the majority of collectors/dealers because of its previous history regarding shoddy grading. A fresh start is needed with new people, a new name and NO association whatsoever with dealers that have a vested interest in the grading results. I do feel sorry for all the people that have invested their time and money getting coins slabbed by APCGS because to be quite honest here this company will always be a Joke as far as serious collectors go and some radical changes will have to be made to convince collectors of its "Bona fides" Until this occurs NO amount of arguing or BS ing will convince anyone. |
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I have to agree with Trout on this occasion as APCGS can't rival the the likes of PCGS IMO as a serious collector I couldn't risk getting any of my coins slabbed by APCGS until their reputation improves considerably
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Majority of their EF45 through to AU50 returned results of Au50-55 from the states which is reasonably inline with their statements. I did find a few way out though, a few of APCGS AU58's returning AU55 from the states aswell as a couple coming back MS62 (by their statements and AU55 should have been an EF45 so only 4 grades out :S) which means its pretty much a gamble if you are going to buy anything in this range.
As for mint state they had no consistency there either, MS62's from them came back as MS65's MS64's came back MS63's. Returning to the opening post. The assumption given here seems to be that the PCGS grade is correct and that any grade that differs from this is wrong. This is simply not the case. The same coin can get a different grade at NGC and I've even seen cases of the same coin getting a different grade when resubmitted to the same company. The number written on a slab is an opinion only. I'm not an apologist for APCGS but people have to realise that for every slabbed coin there is an error margin in the grading of probably at least 2 points and in some cases more. |
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There will always be error margins but PCGS is the benchmark in the industry for a very good reason. The comparison was more to show consistency issues, if I send coins to PCGS for grading I can pretty much guarentee to get the grade I'm expecting with rare exceptions its a grade different. The coins from APCGS were like a shotgun over time, I picked coins I would expect to be MS64+ and they got MS62, however 6 months ago the MS64's I sent did get MS64 gradings. A MS62 coin to me is a mile away from an MS64, it may be by a fear of being wrong or seen to overgrade things but recent under grading by that much is a similar issue as the overgrading. Basically the fact shanes grades constantly change as he gets tougher over time means you have no bloody idea what the grade of the coin you're buying truely is, an APCGS coin from 2013 will be graded MUCH higher than one in 2014 and 2014 is higher again than the ones in 2015 so how can you trust a grade that's constantly changing. I'm more than happy to share the numbers for each as Tella has requested...Hello Shane ;).... The au55 number is 31875111 from PCGS and APCGS is 1406231914. I don't do personal attacks, this was purely from a factual point to show the difference from a collectors point of view, I talk to shane a fair bit on facebook and probably still will (maybe not as much after he sees this lol)
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Thanks Cockatoo, this is only out by one grade,58-55, what is the numbers for the one that is out by 4?
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04/20/2015 11:28 pm
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Australia
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ahh but you forget APCGS grades to australian standards, to them a PCGS AU55 should only grade EF45/47 at best, kind of their whole motto of why they exist
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04/20/2015 11:35 pm
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Australia
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as shown in my initial post too most of their EF45/47's did return grades of AU55 from PCGS, but their failure rate such as the one above was quite high for such a small batch
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There has to be at some point that the AU grades would have to meet up with each other, both of these companies will not grade into the MS category if the item has wear. Obviously a PCGS MS-62 would not be graded AU-58 since it has no wear. Well that's my way of thinking
You also stated that they are harsher now but then you do show a coin that is graded in June 2014
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04/20/2015 11:51 pm
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Australia
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Yes, you have stated on numerous occasions anything graded AU by you will get AU58, as for the ones done this year APCGS numbers 1503173668 through to 1503173675. I think your biggest problem with the way you do business is the lies, two graders (no names ever given or qualifications) not even a company photo of employees on the website. Honesty would have gotten you alot further with me
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ahh but you forget APCGS grades to australian standards, to them a PCGS AU55 should only grade EF45/47 at best, kind of their whole motto of why they exist That is rather confusing.  To grade to Australian standards would require giving the coin and ANDA grade aEF, EF or gEF. If you are going to apply the Sheldon grade then regardless of where the coin was minted the SAME standards apply as to the grade given to any coin. When I first came across the Sheldon grading system I hated the bloody thing like poison But after I got my head around it I actually find it easier to grade using the Sheldon system. It is far easier to apply a numeric grade than dither about with a coin that is between Extra fine almost uncirculated using Sheldon than the ANDA system. |
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haha it is, mixing sheldon with ANDA doesn't work but that is the APCGS way
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haha it is, mixing sheldon with ANDA doesn't work but that is the APCGS way I hope Shane is reading these posts and taking note. I have sent over 1000 coins to PCGS over the last couple of years and that money could have been in his pocket instead of going overseas . I would totally support a home grown TPG as long as it is as good as PCGS with the consistency and accuracy of grades. ICCS in Canada is regarded as a better TPG than PCGS by Canadians , Why can't we get it together and emulate that. Just the name APCGS is "Shonky" , It looks like an effort to hang onto the coat tails of PCGS and is simply Wrong. So come on Shane, Get rid of the Peter Wallace types and other hangers on. Start fresh and be open and accountable then grade the coins accurately  |
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