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Found this baby in a stack of off center and broad struck pennies at an LCS. At first glance it does look just broad struck but then upon closer inspection!! the way the DG REGINA is so perfectly doubled up is spectacular! I know there were a lot of double struck 1967's that got a helping hand but this one seems like it genuinely got jammed in the press for a second strike. Any and all comments are welcome.   |
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SPECTACULAR, I was only thinking to my self yesterday if one even existed! IMO it is a genuine error and not helped as I have only ever seen double,triple and flip struck examples of this year on half and one dollar denominations, all of which were in collar. Although damaged it is presumably a VERY rare error in this denomination, I would estimate the value at $350+(what I would pay). I have a feeling spp-ottawa will love this one!
Feel free to call me Will.
Edited by thedollarman
07/04/2015 01:05 am
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 That is, as thedollarman said, spectacular! Really nice buy. |
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well, since you found a one you really liked I guess you can send the rest to me right?  Feel free to call me Will.
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Feel free to call me Will.
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What a nice find!  Can anyone explain why the bust and ELIZABETH are not also double struck? I know it must be a stupid question, but I don't understand. I do see the off set on the beads around the periphery.  |
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Too bad for you dollarman...I like them all!
Pete...The second strike (which was off center) obliterated the first strike.
Edited by robmck1967
07/04/2015 10:31 am
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That is the coolest of the cool coins that I've yet seen...!
I want to hear what SPP and okiecoiner have to say..
That photo shows that cent as being a touch oval also...
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07/04/2015 11:22 am
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Whoa.... way too many red flags for me!! Why do the reverse beads appear to cut into first strike of CANADA? that does not make sense to me, neither does the fact that rims appear to show that the coin was struck in collar - if the 2nd strike was off-centre, then why is the rim preserved from the first strike? On the obverse, why is the legend so perfectly preserved, and not the beads? Outside the die of the second strike, there should be perfect preservation of all elements from the first strike. Inside the die of the second strike, typically, with double struck coins, the fields almost always obliterate elements of the first strike (they are the highest part of the die), except for mere outlines, and the preservation of detail is in the devices (remember the Queen's nose in my 1970 double struck cent?). I see absolutely nothing in the devices on both sides. The oval shape, rim, PMD and things I question above indicates to me that this was a coin experimented with a "soft die". See this thread: https://goccf.com/t/201040&whichpage=1I definitely don't like it, and hope you did not pay very much for it... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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This, is what a double struck cent should look like, with an off-centre second strike. ALL the elements outside the first strike should be preserved, up to the edge of the die surface on the second strike. Note the rim on the opposite side...  
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Quote:I can see the 1st strike elements of the Dove's wing, and part of the legend on the reverse, but why do the reverse beads appear to cut into first strike of CANADA? ........ On the obverse, why is the legend so perfectly preserved, and not the beads? ........I see absolutely nothing in the devices. The oval shape, flattened rim and other PMD indicates to me that this was a coin experimented with a "soft die"..... ^^^^^this is the man to listen to, I am not sure what to think about the coin any more and did not even consider a false die.  Feel free to call me Will.
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Thanks Roger. I bought it with a group of about 20 errors that I cherry picked. It was labeled as "struck off center" and I paid $10.00 for it along with a few other off centers. I certainly had reservations but there was no mushy appearance to it at all. It was from a reputable dealer and I am sure would be refundable if I take it back there.
Would you be interested in seeing it in Hand? I would be happy to mail it to you for further inspection. I followed the thread you linked about the loonie when it was playing out so I always had that in the back of my mind that it could have been faked.
Thanks.
Rob
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I believe SPP-Ottawa is exactly correct.
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Thanks for the "?" In the title Roger! I should have put it there in the first place. Lol
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why is the legend so perfectly preserved, and not the beads? Maybe the first strike was done at a low pressure, such as in a die set-up strike? That would explain the weakness in the beads. If both strikes were done at a low pressure, that might be why the coin is so flat - without the usual distortion from the second strike. The coin does appear to have genuine damage from being stuck in a coin counting machine.  Often error coins are discovered this way. This adds a hint of credibility to it being authentic, or at least it having seen some circulation. |
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The fact that it appears to have a second strike off-centre pretty much tells me everything...
A bronze penny is pretty soft... even with a weak strike, it should flatten the rim to the same elevation of the fields (which is the highest point on the die)... you should be able to trace exactly where the edge of the die is for an off-centre strike, even on a weak second strike...
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