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Potentially Fraudulent Seller, High Dollar Items.. Help..

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Hello, family.. I am sooo mad right now. I just asked this seller where he got this Lincoln, he says he had it since he was a kid. I know my 1922 Lincolns. My husband purchased it, but once I had it in hand I knew something was up. A google image search turned up this exact obverse tied to (Not Allowed).com. This seller has a sold list of some very high dollar items, and I am becoming suspicious and very furious.. before I jump the gun and report this guy, will somebody confirm what I am seeing here? There is no way this is an authentic Lincoln Cent, am I right?

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 Posted 02/01/2016  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tommyjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am no pro but I do know I would not buy it. Numbers look very strange.
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 Posted 02/01/2016  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RUN AWAY from this fraud.
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 Posted 02/01/2016  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mamastinky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right. I actually thought the auction pics were pretty decent, yet they certainly did not tell the tale like my pictures do. We only paid a couple bucks, so what. But he said he had it since he was a kid. What should I do? His sold items list has several coins that look wrong, but he's been a member since 2003 and has 500 feedback, 375 as a seller. If I report him, then what? Could this guy really be buying fakes from China and selling them from $hundreds a-piece and nobody has noticed? Isn't that a very serious crime? What is the right thing to do? I feel sick thinking about it!
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 Posted 02/02/2016  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bertensgrad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would report it as fake coins.
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I would either keep the coin or return it. Like you say, you only paid a couple of bucks for it. As far as the other coins, we have a Counterfeit Reporting forum, and there are some CCF members that are warriors against counterfeits. I suggest that you post any listings for counterfeit coins in that forum.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mamastinky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, edweather. Warriors against counterfeits is exactly who I am seeking.
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Yes, I know exactly where he got this and unless he's about 15, he hasn't had it "since he was a kid". What can we do?
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No way it is a genuine coin.



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 Posted 02/02/2016  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this was ebay please post a seller link.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
As far as the other coins, we have a Counterfeit Reporting forum, and there are some CCF members that are warriors against counterfeits. I suggest that you post any listings for counterfeit coins in that forum.


Please don't post ended items there though.
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Yeah, when I said 'listings,' I meant current listings, but will say so in the future.
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Gee, I apologize if I mixed this up. For the record, I am officially unclear about where I should have started this topic and what actions were taken as a result of the other thread I started in the counterfeit reporting forum. I get the notion that forum is strictly for reporting active counterfeit listings, rather than active counterfeit sellers. Is that correct? Thing is, Seller-in-Question has one currently active listing that certainly deserves consideration, and since none of you probably need me to tell you what an uncirculated 1914-D Buffalo auctions for, I think you will agree that it wouldn't do to let that ride.

I would like to know what I can do from this point. I have a whole lot of dirt on this guy and the more I learn, the more distressing this all becomes. For starters, he changed his ebay user name in 2014, see here. I found an old discussion on another coin forum about him selling counterfeits on ebay under the old name.

I have certain information finding skills, and.. well, long story short, I hate to say it, but it appears this may be a person that has at least one published article about identifying counterfeit coins, documented in a respectable numismatic publication. The way I see it, that presents a number of long-term problems in the coin collecting community. I CAN say for sure that this man IS experienced with coins. I don't know, it just seems right to me that if it were verified, it would be very relevant information to someone. Advice, anyone?
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The 14-D Buffalo he currently has listed sure looks fake to me, but I just don't know enough about them. I would post the current listing in the US Classic Coins Forum, and ask for help on it, as to whether anyone thinks it's counterfeit or not, and go from there. If nothing else the we've been made aware of the seller, and I'm sure they will hang themselves with their own rope in the future. Yeah, I saw the seller changed their name, went private, and used to sell books on how to detect counterfeit coins. The whole thing is weird.
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This is a very interesting post .. it makes me happy
seeing others watching out for sellers .. selling
fake coins.

I will watch for the 1914 D Buffalo post
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 Posted 02/02/2016  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's fake, already reported. My contact is on a plane right now though.
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