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 Posted 02/22/2016  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucv13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are three or four versions of the dollar in 2015 if you include the one in the regular proof set.



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missing 2015 special edition silver dollar proof...the one in the set....Family holding hands in front of the flag...


Good catch, didn't realize that there were 2 different versions of the Silver Proof.
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02/22/2016 12:39 am
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 Posted 02/23/2016  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aghawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I happened along a 2007 Arts Proof dollar at an auction last year. Must have got lucky because I recently found out it's worth a lot more than the $35 I paid for it. Mintage says 20,000 but I guess the mint says final mintage is only about 6,700. So, is this lower mintage the only reason that it is now valued at $150-200? And were can I find a list of final mintages for all recent silver dollars? Also, can the RCM go back and top up mintages of these coins like the Perth Mint has done with the Kookaburra series?
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 Posted 03/19/2016  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aghawk, I happened to be referring to Luc's list to double check what I'm missing or what I've got and noticed your question. I don't recall RCM ever topping up mintages and unlikely to occur considering commemorative silver dollar celebrate a specific anniversary on a certain year.

Charlton Volume 2 lists "quantity sold" of every issue, which is apparently pulled from that disclosure on RCM's Annual Statements. Looking back at various sales quantities is interesting, noting original price and average present sale price. I suppose it's a matter of present supply and present demand that really follows no real rhyme nor reason as to whether a mintage was sold out years ago. However it appears overall that the silver dollars series have held or increased value remarkably well compared to NCLT in general.
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03/19/2016 2:16 pm
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 Posted 04/05/2016  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucv13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found my missing 2015 on ebay - too bad I can no longer edit the posted list
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 Posted 04/05/2016  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 2015 I hadn't realized there were 2 different images of the flag silver dollar either. RCM also just released a different TransAtlantic Cable dollar in the $99.99 Silver Dollar proof set. I see a trend beginning <sigh>.
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 Posted 04/05/2016  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@lucy13: Congrats on picking up the 2015 SD you were missing. I think the Special Edition SD is a nice complement to the standard annual issue.


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In 2015 I hadn't realized there were 2 different images of the flag silver dollar either. RCM also just released a different TransAtlantic Cable dollar in the $99.99 Silver Dollar proof set. I see a trend beginning <sigh>.

I agree, the RCM appears to be trying yet another approach to maximizing its revenue from SD collectors.

It began back in 2002 when it released a proof set with a gold-plated version of the annual SD, and continued in 2003 with a Special Edition proof set that featured a SD available only in the set. In 2005 they continued the approach with release of the first proof set that included a gold-plated version of the standard commemorative SD - a set that has continued as an annual release.

It's very likely a sales avenue that the RCM will continue to explore.


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 Posted 04/05/2016  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"explore" being the key word. Many of these SDs are being removed from the mint sets because people only want the one coin.
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 Posted 04/05/2016  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Commens - yes and another reason for collectors of NCLT silver dollars to establish parameters of what forms their collection.

The possibilities as you've illustrated in your February update are significant:
https://goccf.com/t/254095

It was both of these threads that motivated me to take a look at my NCLT accumulations throughout many years to see what I was missing in terms of a consolidated SD collection. After a certain amount of pondering, I decided my parameters would consist of each different type in terms of image, definitely only 36mm, and for the duplicates in various different finishes I limited it to the highest ranked based on this scale:

- both gold plated and painted
- frosted proof
- BU
- anything unique, ie 2012 Specimen, Privy mark..

Had I realized in advance that the 2010 Sun and the 2008 Poppy were ultra high relief I might have excluded those on the basis of the different thickness as well.

All in all, while I chose to limit my collection in terms of finishes, I was still very surprised my list consists of 73 different NCLT SDs since 1971.


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...another reason for collectors of NCLT silver dollars to establish parameters of what forms their collection.

Very true! Establishing parameters for a collection is a wise decision.

I'm "all in" on my SD collection, however, as it is my primary collection of Canadian coins. I purchase one of each variety released. For example, if a design is released in Proof, BU and gold-plated proof, I purchase all three varieties of the design.

I am far more selective regarding all other Canadian NCLT. I generally only add individual silver coins that recall and celebrate Canada's early history. I admit to straying from time to time - I purchased a few of the Bald Eagle coins back in 2014 for one of my topical collections - but I do try hard to limit myself to traditional coins (i.e., fully-engraved vs. painted) that commemorate Canadian history.



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 Posted 04/05/2016  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm "all in" on my SD collection...


I'm keeping that option open to pursue later as well! One of the things I like about SD collecting is there's future opportunity to extend the parameters, even to include circulation 1935-1967.

When I began, I already had specimen and proof sets up to 2012 which served no real purpose other than to fill up a storage box. Although I'll admit to seemed almost sacrilegioust to remove (carefully) the SD from the first set I broke apart, all together in a collection they're far more interesting and eye appealing.

Other than possibly significant years, I had the opinion sets were best kept in sets. I suppose that's because they are sold that way. Now I've completely changed my mind - their best purpose is served as a means to accumulate a collection of similar f/v coins.

Howver a surprise was the cost of some of the Special Edition or single SDs. I notice they've not all decreased throughout the years regardless of higher mintage. For example the 2002 Queen Mother, 10,000 sold @ $50 or the 2008 RCM 100th anniversary, 15000 sold @ $60. Both today are a pretty good buy anywhere less than $200.

That suggests to me the SD collector segment is doing quite fine and well, perhaps just not as vocal as those who focus solely on accumulating hot new releases.

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04/05/2016 2:51 pm
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RCM also just released a different TransAtlantic Cable dollar in the $99.99 Silver Dollar proof set. I see a trend beginning <sigh>.

In my opinion this colorized version is the nicest of the bunch

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Many of these SDs are being removed from the mint sets because people only want the one coin

Well the SD along with the Loonie and Twoonie for me

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Had I realized in advance that the 2010 Sun and the 2008 Poppy were ultra high relief I might have excluded those on the basis of the different thickness as well.

I concur - I bought the Poppy before realizing this - I don't even like it's design no longer interested in acquiring "The Sun"...

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I like about SD collecting is there's future opportunity to extend the parameters, even to include circulation 1935-1967.


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04/06/2016 12:25 am
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Not really sure about the detailed classification, but I see the the 2010 "The Sun" and 2010 "The Poppy" both actually Proof Siver Dollars, so this is the finish, while The Sun is High Relief and Poppy - Proof with enamel.

Basically, as I understand, from all the "Canada Dollar" coins minted by RCM - only the variations of Loon and "Two Loons" Dollar aren't for you, due to the dimensions.

Seems to be not easy to collect SD's due to their multiplicity, but could someone reply, if the "collect them all" something fundamental in thees type of collections? (in other words - why for example the 2011 Parks Silver Dollar can not be exluded - all finishes)
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Basically, as I understand, from all the "Canada Dollar" coins minted by RCM - only the variations of Loon and "Two Loons" Dollar aren't for you, due to the dimensions.

Not really sure about the detailed classification, but I see the the 2010 "The Sun" and 2010 "The Poppy" both actually Proof Siver Dollars, so this is the finish, while The Sun is High Relief and Poppy - Proof with enamel.


I easily determine the coin classification by - if it fit's in my 36mm 2x2 Quadrum - it's in! The 2010 Poppy fits but the Sun won't as it's 30g and thicker than regular SD's. I did have some 38mm Quadrums so Two Loons is in!

As far as other silver Loon variations they are with the Loonie collection
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04/06/2016 01:24 am
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 Posted 04/06/2016  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silveroid, aside from 2010 SD enamel poppy, there's also a 2004 armistice poppy, which is nice. The 2008 is much the same as the 2004 except for it's ultra high relief, which makes it's thickness 3.3mm. It looks more like a carving than a silver dollar.

As for collecting all the possible different finishes, it's just a matter of personal preference toward what each of defines as completeness I suppose.

Commens full accounting of all possible NCLT Silver dollars - 122 of them plus the latest one in the Silver Dollar Proof set. Best to keep Loons separate! LOL!
https://goccf.com/t/254095
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04/06/2016 01:45 am
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Interesting views on SD's - what's the comunity view on the SD circulation 1935-1967?

Me personally I do count them as part of my SD collection (trying to exchange coins with higher conditions). What do you think - part or not part of any SD collection?
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