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New Member
Brazil
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Hello guys, can you help me to ID the correct type of my coin?   |
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Pillar of the Community
 India
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Dear ramgu2005, Welcome to CCF. Your coin seems to be the typical "Samantadeva" type. On the obv. there is a couchant bull to the left. Nagari script above reads "Samantadeva". On the rev. there is a horseman to the right. The devices seen above and to its right look like this other coin, classified as Samantadeva, at least until otherwise proved.  |
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 United States
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@drnsreedhar (and others), I recently picked up this copper bull and horseman that was attributed as Rupachandra Deva (12 mm, 3.3 g). When I compare mine to yours on page 5 of this thread, I'm not completely sure that I agree as so much of the legend is off-flan. It definitely has the style of the Kangra, but I'm less certain of the ruler. I note that the jhula is empty. Also, I can convince myself that the back of the bull might have part of an upside down trisul on it, which suggests Apurvachandra. What is your learned opinion?   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
India
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Dear Spence,
I think you are right. Bull and horseman coins of Kangra have legends "samantadeva" on one side and name of the ruler on the other. As far as I have seen, Rupachandra coins have name of ruler on the horseman side and Apurvachandra issues above the bull. On your coin unfortunately "samantadeva" legend also is off-flan. So it could be either Apurva (if samanta is on horseman side) and Rupachandra if otherwise.
But by the design on the back of the bull, it resembles Apurvachandra. So more possibility is for Apurvachandra. Thanks.
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Ok excellent. Thx for providing your opinion on this!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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New Member
United States
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I picked up this coin in a group of coins recently. I think that it is early Islamic of the bull & horseman type. The legend appears to be Arabic. This coin is larger than most of these - a little larger than a US quarter. Any ideas?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Comparison of the coin above with Seljuq coins of Kaykhusraw I and Rukn al-din Suleiman. Perhaps echizento or Kushanshah will pin it down further...they are both good at these.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes, it's a coin of the Seljuqs of Rum, Suleiman Shah as Malik of Toqat, before becoming Sultan. The reverse reads al-malik al-qahir Suleiman Shah bin Qilij Arslan. I don't believe that there is any direct connection between this type and the bull and horseman jitals. However, both the Shahi dynasty of Kabul, which introduced the bull and horseman coins, and the Rum Seljuq dynasty are descended from nomadic Turkic tribes of the Eurasian steppe, to whom horsemanship was of central importance.
Edited by Kushanshah
08/06/2020 05:52 am
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New Member
United States
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Thanks!! I'll have to learn some more about this dynasty and its coins.
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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SHAHI: Samanta Deva, 850-1000 AD AR Jital, Bull / Horseman: Tye-14, recumbent bull to left with trisul on rump, Nagari inscription above // horseman right, holding banner, 20 mm, 3.54 grams      Edited by louisvillekyshop
10/08/2020 9:35 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice one! Not Samanta deva but Spalapati Deva. Looks like an earlier issue, too.
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United States
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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Thanks Bob! Finn;
Thanks so much for the correct ID! Noted and fixed on my coin.
Spalapati Deva. Ca. 750-900. AR jital Horseman advancing right, with Brahmi letter to left / Bull seated left with trident on hump;
Nagari legend Sri Spalapati Deva above. Tye 6.1
20 mm, 3.54 grams
Edited by louisvillekyshop
10/08/2020 10:09 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Based on the Brahmi akshara above the horse's hindquarters, it would be Tye 4.1.
Edited by Kushanshah
10/08/2020 11:06 pm
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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Kushanshah:
Thanks! Now between you and Finn I have changed my listing twice so the ID gets better and better but sadly I hardly ask about a coin which makes me wonder how often I write complete rubbish for an ID I am in a hurry with and people just put up with my many errors.
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