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True Coin Collectors , Where Are They ?

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 Posted 10/14/2016  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding the definitions posted earlier, I mainly agree with them, except I would merge "hoarder" and "Accumulator" and add the category "investor"; you can see my own version of the list of definitions in this old thread. However, as I said in that thread, everyone is unique, and very few people fit neatly into the boxes without overlap. I consider myself primarily a Numismatist and Collector, with little Hoarder and no Investor.

It all depends on what your goals and motivation are. The Hoarder wants to accumulate. The Investor wants to make profits. The Collector wants to categorize, organize and complete sets. And the Numismatist wants to study and increase their knowledge.

It is important to note that none of these things are "wrong". They're just different. And being different is OK.

It's also important to note that people can change, and should be allowed to change. Many times we've had people come onto the forum with a purely Investor mentality: perhaps they've inherited grandpa's coin collection and just want to get as much money for it as possible. But, as they start to learn more about the coins, they actually become interested in collecting. It can work the other way too; a "pure" numismatist or coin collector can enter a new phase of their life, and use their knowledge and experience in coin collecting to either become a coin dealer themselves or to sell off their collection for maximum profits.

Finally, it should be noted that to a large extent we all need each other for the hobby to thrive. Coin Collectors would not know what to collect, if Numismatists had not carefully studied the coins and written coin catalogues. Nor would they have lots of nice coins available to them if Hoarders had not hoarded them up years ago. Investors would have worthless investments if there were no coin collectors pushing up demand.
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 Posted 10/14/2016  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would definitely fall in the collector category.
The only time I have ever sold anything was back in 2000 when it was a financial necessity to fund another personal project in my life.
I carry a want list (ok a want book) to every coin show and am like a 60 year old kid when I get the last coin I need for one of my albums.
I need to do something with my extras and upgrades but so far I haven't other than take a few things to my favorite dealer to use as partial credit for my purchases.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i definitely fall into the collector category. collecting for 53 years and have never sold anything ever. now I have a huge dilemma as I'm disabled and may need to sell off pieces. I'm really torn over this and have hard time coming to grips with doing that. they are like a part of my family especially the pieces that I really spent a lot of time looking for or have special meaning to me. for instance I have a 1909S VDB I bought back in the early 70's XF40+ for $125. I just cant to grips to sell it. it took several years to save for and find the right piece to complete my lincoln set.
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Personally I'm kind of a mix between a hoarder and collector. I've never been quick to sell and am not particularly concerned with having some duplicates in my chosen areas of focus. I'd like to think that my collections are holding their value and try not to overpay although I'm not actively looking for a profit when I look to purchase coins for my collection.

I think that Moxking's definitions are spot on although many collectors may not entirely fit into one subgroup and may have traits of several.
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A coin collector is anyone that obtains coins as a hobby and the enjoyment of having them. If you want a term for someone that only obtains and never sells that would be a hoarder.
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I do not care for the term "hoarder" as it tends to have extremely negative connotations associated with it.

I mostly collect, occasionally invest, and very rarely sell. I don't have any kids, nor a wife anymore, nor any remaining close family, so I don't really care about estate considerations -- I buy what I want, when I want, for any reason, as time, money, and flights of fancy permit, whether that's a beat-up, worn-out melt bucket Morgan dollar or a high-grade top-pop beautiful CAC stunner. So I think I'm a "true" collector by my own definition, at least, and trying to fit collectors into categories is difficult.
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I'm a 44 year coin collector... I will remain a "true Coin Collector" until God makes that impossible...

I mostly buy coins at my coin dealer - the same local one I've gone to for 40 years, and find collectible coins via CRH... but I also sell sometimes, depending. I often find good stuff in my dealer's "junk" silver bins, and I also find some stuff in quantity that is popular with collectors (such as 2009-D nickels and NIFC halves)... I usually will one of three things with this stuff:

1) Upgrade my coins in my main collection (or the duplicates)
2) Sell them for a quick profit on ebay
3) Hold onto them for sentimental value

I use the profit I make off my junk silver purchases and CRH finds to buy more coins, and/or invest in my Coin roll hunting adventures.

I also do "invest" some in silver as I believe at its current low prices it's a much better investment than other things like the stock market. When I buy, I am very discriminating though, and hand pick the stuff that comes out of my dealer's "junk" boxes. As a result, you won't see too many 1964 dated coins in my collection (other than my finds out of CRH).
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To be a "true collector" you must be a seller. IMO it's part of the process otherwise you'll be buried in coins.

I plan on selling many more coins, I have way too many to maintain and have lost interested in many things I have. Personally, I'd rather have a few high quality coins than sheer volume. It allows me to focus on what I do like.
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ditto

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To be a "true collector" you must be a seller. IMO it's part of the process otherwise you'll be buried in coins.

If you don't upgrade, you're not progressing.
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 Posted 10/18/2016  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you don't upgrade, you're not progressing.
Meh. If you had the time to do it twice, you had the time to do it right the first time. I know, money is a factor. Blah-blah.

Just my own opinion. Your mileage may vary.
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I see your point jbuck, and don't disagree. But for my serious collection, I try to get the best known example and occasionally a better one will surface. For my fun collection I'm with you. Or I'd drive myself crazy. Opinions are like a buffet; many to chose from and they're always bringing more.
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Availability is also a factor, not just money. It may actually be more efficient to buy an available example now and maybe a better one if you stumble on it later than to spend a lot of time to look for a really good example immediately (which, in some cases, might not even come up for sale until said later time anyway).
And if your want list includes a lot of relatively uncommon items, you're probably better off going with the flow and getting whichever of those you can find, in whatever condition, instead of looking for each one specifically. Look up the Circulated Commemorative Quest sometime.

That said, the main reason I don't sell is because I honestly don't think it's worth my time (and money). I don't have that many duplicates in my collection, and most of them are coins so extremely cheap that I'd probably be better off giving them away than (legally) selling them, given the sheer amount of fees involved in the latter.
If I ever happen to end up acquiring a duplicate of an already expensive coin (either as an upgrade or simply by accident), that might well change; as it is I'm hounded by people asking what am I selling every time I visit Taganka anyway.
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Myself I would fall into the collector. I've spent a lot of Presidential dollars and State Quarters (close to $10,000) that I collected over the years when my interests changed and things started to get out of hand. I kept a complete collection of each realizing that it will be past my lifetime and my children before they may be worth something. So I paid bills and bought some coins that I collect. The few xtras that I have now I usually give to other collectors Secret Santa or trade. Also all the silver I usually keep.
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You can finish one collection then move to the next one. You don't have to get into the upgrade cycle (spiral?). Is that not progressing?

I'm not a big fan of the snobbery either. I'd suggest that people that spend so much time trying to label others should spend that time instead on improving themselves. I recently has a negative interaction with a jerk dealer that jacked up his prices 40% once he realized I am not a full time dealer. I'd done business with him before, but never again.

My issue is it doesn't seem like much of a hobby if you don't involve yourself in the business to some extent, buying and selling. If all I did was save up and buy, I wouldn't have much activity. So to make it more interesting, I try to buy where I can make a little money and sometimes buy with the idea of selling.
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You can finish one collection then move to the next one. You don't have to get into the upgrade cycle (spiral?). Is that not progressing?
I think so. I like having completed sets, their very existence gives me the comfort of accomplishment. I am working on other sets to reach the same goal.

In the case of my Eisenhower dollars, I am upgrading by starting a second set. The first is in a Dansco, it is done, no changes there, but I am starting a graded set. It is different and will compliment, not replace, the Dansco set. I am not saying it is the right way, but one of many ways.

I really do not think there is a wrong way. If buy/sell/upgrade works for you, then bully!
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