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1792-2017 $100 Liberty Gold Coin

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It bothered me that there were no straight on photos in this thread.

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Very nice! Glad it's in silver and gold - we'll get both!
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I will definitely get the silver. I have to admit, I actually appreciate the stars and the eagle (which has that Klingon Bird of Prey look going on).
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I don't like it simply because it feels like forced PC. The design is somewhat appealing even with the giant stars imo
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 Posted 01/18/2017  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The author of the article presumes to know that the coin is popular, mostly based on Facebook feedback. I find it interesting that he writes "even if you, in this day and age, find it difficult to accept that Liberty is an idea and not one ethnicity or another". If Liberty is an idea and not one ethnicity or another, then why did the CCAC go out of their way to select a depiction of Liberty that is obviously of African decent? We get the answer in the next sentence; "then you are still benefiting from the introduction of this coin". You see, it's to our benefit for them to change our minds about how we envision Liberty, otherwise we'll be stuck with our historical narrow minded Greco-Roman depictions. For me, no thanks. I'm not about to throw down my money on a coin that someone is using as a tool to advance their political agenda.
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Thank you for the link, one_fine_dime. It's good to know that there is support for the coin. I'm not a fan of the stars either, but overall it's a beautiful depiction -- certainly the best of the candidates, front and back. I plan on getting one.
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The gold $10 is known as an Eagle
The gold $20 is known as a Double Eagle
The gold $50 is known as a Half Union.
Commemorative Pan Pac $50 are well known in octagonal and round. Roughly 2 1/2 ounces of gold each.

A gold $100 Union was considered.
Designs prepared, but not struck as a pattern.

Gold $100 NCLT one ounce OK, but not as a 'UNION'.
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Thank you for the link, one_fine_dime. It's good to know that there is support for the coin. I'm not a fan of the stars either, but overall it's a beautiful depiction -- certainly the best of the candidates, front and back. I plan on getting one.
Yes, thank you, one_fine_dime.


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If Liberty is an idea and not one ethnicity or another, then why did the CCAC go out of their way to select a depiction of Liberty that is obviously of African decent?
So you would prefer that they went out of their way to avoid choosing a design that depicts someone of African decent? I find it sad that you do not see the problem with what you are saying.
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Jbuck, I don't feel that's a fair statement to make, as it seems you're putting words in Bret's mouth.

In my view, the reasonable alternative to depicting liberty as a specific, separate race would be to depict liberty as an amalgam of the many ethnicities that make up our country. This seems to be, to me, more unifying and was quite successfully implemented as a wonderful depiction of liberty on the 2015 ultra high relief gold coin design.
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If it is a tribute to black people in America it should start in 1619 when first black slaves came to the new world. What concept does this coin represent? Slavery did not end in all states until 1866 I think. Jim Crow lasted for another 100 years. What will this coin cost?
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Jbuck, I don't feel that's a fair statement to make, as it seems you're putting words in Bret's mouth.
Intentional or not, he is implying that the design was chosen only because it depicted an African American. The telling part is when he says "I'm not about to throw down my money on a coin that someone is using as a tool to advance their political agenda."


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In my view, the reasonable alternative to depicting liberty as a specific, separate race would be to depict liberty as an amalgam of the many ethnicities that make up our country
I not think that would be easy, but I am not an artist. I would love to see what such a design would look like.
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I believe I understand what the Mint/Treasury Department is trying to do with this new gold coin (and silver medal) - support an inclusive environment and use our nation's coinage to promote our diversity and spread the message that liberty and freedom is something to be enjoyed by all Americans.

I fully support their initiative. While its true that the depiction of Liberty on this coin is not the traditional depiction that I grew up with, I don't have any issues with it (except I wish the stars of the headband were a bit smaller!).

Times change, I believe we need to change with them. The phone in my pocket is not the phone with which I grew up - I've adapted. The car I drive each day is a far cry (in a positive way) from the car I drove when I first got my license - I've adapted. The personal computer I'm typing on at the moment is quite a bit different from the first one I ever used - I've adapted.

I'm fairly certain I can adapt to new depictions of Liberty on US coins.

From a Mint's press release about the coin: "The 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary Gold Coin is the first in a series of 24-karat gold coins that will feature designs which depict an allegorical Liberty in a variety of contemporary forms-including designs representing Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and Indian-Americans among others-to reflect the cultural and ethnic diversity of the United States."

I think this can be a great series of coins! A series that all Americans can be proud of and a series that we can hold up to the world to show that we are trying to build a more cohesive society. We have a long way to go, but we have to continue to make strides whenever and wherever opportunities present themselves.

I look forward to seeing the various designs develop over the coming years, and look forward to adding (at least) the silver medal versions to my collection.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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With all that has been said- I would be much more understanding of a series that was dedicated to depicting Liberty in other ethnicity styles.
Putting this on the Mint Anniversary coin somehow sits wrong with me. When they made a coin to commemorate the San Fransisco old mint, it depicted the - San Fransisco Old Mint. When they made a coin to commemorate Booker T. Washington (and George Washington Carver) it depicted the African American face of said person. Mind you- that was in 1946 well before civil rights movement.
In short, what I am trying to say is that putting this face on the mint's anniversary coin reeks of revisionist history. Everything has its place and I think this one is out of place.
Obviously, this is just my opinion, but I thought that a different angle may bring some others to share their fair and honest opinions.
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