1792-2017 $100 Liberty Gold Coin

I'm warming up to this design as I look at it more. Since this coin is the second coin in what we now know is going to be a continuing series, with a new coin every two years and each one carrying a different depiction of LIBERTY (and probably a new eagle each time), I think it deserves our attention. I can no longer afford the gold versions but I look forward to a new silver medal every other year to add to my collection.

You're putting forward the thoughts of others that they have not conveyed. I believe they did it because they (liberals) are obsessed with the physical characteristics of people and dividing them in to groups for their political purposes. When you look at the obverse of that coin do you see a depiction of Liberty that happens to be African-American? Or, do you see a depiction of an African-American that they threw a few starts on to pass off as Liberty? I see the latter because that was their stated goal. I find it sad that people are still so obsessed with race and ethnicity after all of these years. For me, it's the ideas that people have and their character that determines what I think about them. There is no inherit value in being genetically white, black, Asian, etc. To believe so means that one is somehow better than the other. Unfortunately, they will never give up being able to divide people in to groups until it does not benefit them politically.

one_find_dime, I believe that it's the diversity of thought and resulting competition of ideas that our freedoms allow that makes our nation great. Outward physical appearance has nothing to do with it.

Same is true for conservatives, who insist on recognizing marriage and bathroom rights based on physical characteristics, while pushing other policies that inherently harm certain communities without explicitly mentioning race or other characteristics (e.g. voting rights, reproduction rights, equal access, wage laws).



Of course, that was their stated goal. But given than fact, no matter what design they came up with, some people are going to see just a few stars thrown on or whatever else justifies their view that "this isn't Liberty".

I wonder if all of the coins in this series (including the 2015 version) were released at the same time, would we be having this same discussion? Most of us would probably dislike at least one design purely for aesthetic reasons. But there are bound to be some who insist that only the most white-looking one would be desirable (after all, that's all that has been depicted in the previous 224 years). That, I can't understand. Liberty belongs to everyone.

Valuing people based on superficial physical characteristics instead of the content of their character.



Multiculturalism is liberal speak for not integrating in to the American values of liberty and personal responsibility among other things. Interesting though that they went from culture straight to races, as if the two are somehow the same which they're obviously not. Also noteworthy is that they demand that we recognize superficial physical differences among "races" and declare that those differences somehow have value, but we must ignore real differences between men and women. So, yes in answer to your question.


It's no conspiracy. It's right there for everyone to see. Liberals are obsessed with power and using race, gender or whatever to advance their agenda is nothing new. They (Democrats) fought to deprive African-Americans of their God given rights by keeping them in slavery, they fought to deprive African-Americans of their rights during the civil rights era and they continue to segregate African-Americans in to a group in order to keep them voting a certain way.


Again, never said or implied that. We shouldn't. The designs are the ones that best depict the concept of Liberty should be approved, not the ones that best depict a stereotype of what a particular group of people look like.


I hate to break it to you, but unlike the superficial meaningless racial characteristics that liberals are obsessed with, there are really actual differences between men and women. Men and women have separate restrooms to protect women/girls from predators and protect the privacy rights of both men and women. I feel bad for a guy who has a mental illness such that he thinks he's a woman (permanently or from time to time), but his rights don't supersede those of my wife and daughter. Conservatives didn't bring up this whole "bathroom rights" thing as you call it. Plenty of men dressed as women and women dressed as men have been going to whatever restrooms they've wanted for years. Worked fine until liberals wanting to force people to view a man as a woman or a woman as a man tried to force their agenda on others.
I didn't say that. In fact, I said the opposite. Please reread what I wrote. Once again, I could care less about the racial/ethnic background of Liberty. The fact that the CCAC based their decision on race and not on the overall beauty of the design while ignoring race is what disappoints me. I don't know what you're talking about regarding "voting rights, reproduction rights, equal access, wage laws". Conservatives have always been champions of voting rights. They fought the Democrats poll taxes during the civil rights era. If by "reproduction right" you mean killing unborn babies, then I'll grant you that conservatives are for protecting the right to life and liberty of the unborn. No clue what you mean by equal access and wage laws. I feel bad that you don't understand what conservatism is, but feel hopeful that if you did have a real understanding, you'd actually agree. Nobody ever said that Liberty didn't belong to everyone. It belongs to everyone who values it. It's just that it's a real concept, not something based on superficial physical characteristics.

When I look at the 2015 design, I see an obvious depiction of Liberty and one that I think is pretty good overall. Looking closely at it, I think the facial characteristics of Liberty might be African-American. I don't know for sure and I really don't care. The design stands on it's own and would be good regardless of the facial characteristics.

It's not misleading or incorrect at all. Democrats have historically been the party of racial repression. Their current policies keep the poor trapped so that they can't climb the economic ladder. You can buy the marketing of the liberals if you'd like, but results are what matters to me.



It's not fringe, it's common sense. Pick virtually any issue and you'll find that liberals are for whatever position brings more power to government and less liberty to the people.

I'm plenty open minded when it comes to multiculturalism as I consider all view points and evidence before developing an opinion. It's just that I don't buy the PC BS and see it for what it is; hurtful to the people it purports to help because it focuses on people as having value because they are members of a group, not because of their beliefs and actions as individuals.



And to me that's boring and sad. There is no spirit in the physical characteristics of people. It's not something that I wish to celebrate. There thoughts that lead to their deeds might be something to celebrate. I love the Native American dollars because each year we are presented with a reverse that demonstrates the historical contributions of Native Americans. It doesn't celebrate them because of their genetics or physical characteristics. They're actual contributions that have had a positive impact on the lives of others.



No, as we discussed, the Democrats did everything they could to deprive African Americans of their rights and they continue to do everything they can to keep African-Americans in the cycle of dependency. If we want to celebrate African-Americans on coins, then it should be done in a manner similar to the Native American dollars. Illustrate the contributions, but we shouldn't fool ourselves in to believing African-Americans are to be celebrated simply because of their physical characteristics. To me that's demeaning and certainly diminishes their historical contributions.



Exactly. I'd love to see the day when people look at another and have no preconceived notions based on their ethnic or racial characteristics.



The point of government is to protect the individual rights of people. Historical repression based on ethnic or racial physical characteristics is a failure of government (and those who elected them).



I used to believe that marketing, but now I see it for what it is. It's a way to empower the few at the expense of the liberty of the many. It's kind of ironic that the term liberals is even applied to those who want to concentrate power in the hands of so few by taking liberty (choices) from the masses.

In regard to the quote from the Coin World article, I'm not going to speak for the quote of someone else as I do not know for sure the full context. I could speculate, but that wouldn't really be helpful.



I'm not sure what you don't understand here as I believe my point was quite clear. Designs should be based on forwarding the concept of Liberty, not pushing ethnic or racial physical characteristics.



Look at the designs pictured above. It was clearly as stacked deck to begin with. Do you really think the CCAC was going to pick one of the few non-African-American designs? What a joke. The fix was in from the start. It's amazing that the tentacles of liberalism have made it so far in to most all of the institutions of government.

Please Bret, try to consider actual historic facts, not propaganda:
http://forwardprogressives.com/repu...w-them-this/

Can you really dispute anything in that article?

The point here, that I believe you are truly missing, is this:
Traditionally, "Liberty" has been depicted as a white woman. We all know that traditionally (from the time of our nation's crude 18th century beginnings), non-whites were discriminated against. This is fact. So if our traditions have changed in regards to extending rights and liberties to non-whites, then it is absolutely no different to also consider changing other types of related traditions...like depicting liberty as only a white woman on our coinage.

That's all there is to it!

Read just the first paragraph of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

..and then Bret's quote:






Should the same be the case for European-Americans (aka "white people")?! That is, only celebrated in a special dedicated coin series?

Your "arguments" hold no water for me Bret.

Brett. Well written and exceptionally valid points you are making. It amazes me how anyone can refute them. At least we are hopefully about to Get back on the right track soon and stop all this liberal deviceveism