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I have been active on the Canadian coin sites for 20 years now and have noticed that there is an entirely new outlook on varieties and errors. As recent as a year or so ago, the Varieties section of the CCF forum was just loaded with almost entirely Vicky large cent anomalies. As a long-time collector and hoarder of Vicky large cent types, my computer fingers are growing cobwebs, because all newer posts are for modern varieties and errors. We never should have written the Charlton section for the 65th edition .. looks like we closed the door. BTW, my handle on most of my coin sites was "Bill in Burl" and I posted quite often... and was moderator on the old CanadianCopperCoins site that got hacked and then closed.
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Canada
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The Charlton 65th ed is still a bible, as is the Haxby catalog... There may be a bit of a lull in large cents...but that's nothing compared to the cobwebs when it comes to discussion on 5c, 10c or 25c Vicky varieties...and dont get me started on Newfoundland varieties LOL... I think it's temporary... as an example...I bid on a 1859 recently on ebay, the P1 Reverse...it's probably the rarest of the reverse repunched letters...the price went from $20 to $150 in the last minute of bidding...it's only the second one I've seen in 5 years... no one is supposed to know about this variety..but clearly someone else recognized its rarity...it showed me that there are collectors out there even for varieties you're sure no one else knows about http://www.vickycents.com/rm-ce-n-t.html Edited by canadian-varieties
06/22/2017 2:27 pm
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I'm really thankful for the 2011 Charlton large cent section. I think it opened the door rather than closed it. It did for me anyway, and I think for a lot of others also!
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Writing the 65th edition sure closed off the cherry picking opportunities for us. Almost everything good is competitive now. I remember those of us who worked on the 65th discussing that possibility, but deciding to do it anyway. The choice was to continue to accumulate scarce varieties that few cared about, or see if publishing them in Charlton would raise their popularity. I think we made the correct choice for the good of the hobby. :)
Two small examples of what has happened to pricing, a reflection of demand. In about 2005 I bought an 1859 TP1 housed in a PCGS AU-55 holder as a DP2 from a Michael Walsh auction. Nobody else even looked twice at it, or bid on it, and I got it for the opening bid, about 60% of Trends for a DP2 at the time.
A few years later, maybe 2009, in another auction I bought a second TP1, this time in an ICCS VF-30 holder as DP9 Variation. I paid $140 for it, a high price for the day because I was bidding against two other early (pre-65th edition, CCRS forum member) variety collectors.
Today, the Trends price for the VF-30 coin is $600 CAD and is undervalued. I would not sell it for that. The AU is unpriced in Trends and is currently tied for the second best example known.
The real question in my mind, is whether the popularity (and demand) for these coins will grow some more, level off here, or wane. The hobby has been through this before. Hans Zoell, Jim Haxby, and several others raised awareness and demand for varieties in the 1950's and 1960's, only to see the popularity of varieties diminish after that.
Who knows where we go from here?
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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06/22/2017 4:28 pm
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Your work will stand the test of time.
Finding and buying modern errors and varieties is a relatively a low cost proposition,similar to what Vickie variety collecting was like fifteen years ago,that's why it's gaining popularity.
Victoria large cents still account for about 20% of discussions here which is more than all other Vickie denominations combined.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Getting varieties published is always good for the hobby but as mentioned makes it harder for the established collectors to get more varieties, that's good. Some of us as examples the beaded toonie, until some publication recognize it, it is only known to a few error collectors, I rather have most major errors published for all to see and pursue.
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 Okiecoiner You are one of the reasons that people like you have opened lots of doors for people like me. The charlton and all the vicky sites have opened our minds and we have gone crazy over the knowledge that we can pluck at a moment notice just to try and identify why this coin is special or not. Cherry picking is still there but you have to look for them.  Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Yes, what I meant for closing the door was that the door to cherry picking and lots of questions being asked on forums such as this. The 65th was a labor of love for the 5 of us .. and we voted unanimously to get it out there to open the doors for all of you.
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The 65th was a labor of love for the 5 of us .. and we voted unanimously to get it out there to open the doors for all of you. Quote: Okiecoiner You are one of the reasons that people like you have opened lots of doors for people like me. Let me think now..  Where would I be now Okie if you hadn't got me involved in those pesky 59's..? I'd still be out polishing my shiny cents and coins...and that's not good at all.. I just love searching out the many varieties. ..and if I also didn't have the Haxby photos and #'s and Rob's books and great photos..I'd be completely lost as to what I should be looking for and how to place it in the grand scheme of things.. All we as collectors are really doing is placing these coins in some kind of order ..and then moving them onto our future generations of collectors who will hopefully continue to fine tune our past work.. .... We can only hope that they have as much fun as we are still having.. |
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okiecoiner You opened my eyes to the large cent variety's and have taught me a lot on the how, the what, and why variety's in the large cent happened. I can never thank you enough for passing the knowledge you have onto me. I will do my best to pass that on to other collectors in your name. I will not be one of those people who steals your knowledge and write articles claiming it to be my research that I did. If I do print and article your name will mentioned as the researcher. Many thanks okiecoiner |
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I totally agree with Phil310, Strach-Man, DEVLEC and fourmack!
okiecoiner shore opened the door on "Vickies" Large Cents on the old CCRS forun for me also! especially 1859's.... My hat off to okiecoiner!! "Bill in Burl" and the others that have written the Charlton section for the 65th edition on them.. I just can't thank them enough. Collecting "Vickies" large cents is also my passion!!
MG
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07/15/2017 06:04 am
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Illustrating 1859 Canada One cent Coin#1    Rev 15A  Edited by Dorado
07/15/2017 3:02 pm
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AU polished, but neat die crack.
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Dorado..Make sure that you realize that the above 2 cents have been ruined by someone polishing them..
PC59-432..with the top of the "N" in CENT noticeably repunched..a late state and an early state for these 2..
Do you know who did the polishing on the above 2 last examples of yours..?
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07/15/2017 8:37 pm
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