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Coins In Holders And Plastic Sheets Sticky And Green

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Hey All,

So I took out my coins that I last really looked at about 10 years ago when I was still in college and low and behold, some serious damage has been done to them and I do not know what it is and how to reverse it (if possible).

I have attached a photo for reference but some of my 1c pieces looked like the plastic window of the cardboard holder they are in was sticking to the surface of the coin. This worried me so I took one 1911 1c piece out and it would not come out of the plastic sleeve without a fight! Once I got it out the window of the holder was sticky and when I popped the coin out it was green, especially the edge of the coin, and was incredibly sticky!

I do not know if this is a PVC problem as I just heard about this. Would that cause this to happen? And what is made of PVC? The window to my cardboard holder or the plastic sheets the holders are put in? Also, note around the staples the discoloration. Its like there is a damp spot around them or so it would appear. I have kept this binder in a cool room that is not the driest in the house so that may have caused an issue?

Any and all help in this matter would be greatly appreciated!

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Sounds like those were economy 2x2s, were film is plastic and not mylar. That green sounds like the dreaded enemy of PVC damage. Sticky and green are the indicators. First thing is get them ALL out, start with a acetone soak. Not sure what else can be done, once that starts, it may not be reversible. Start here:
http://goccf.com/t/29456
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Yep, it definitely sounds like PVC damage. Most likely it came from the plastic in the 2x2s. It could have come from the pages as well if they contain PVC.

Pure acetone is your friend in this case. Remove all of them and soak in acetone. I also use a q-tip with acetone to manually remove any residue after the soak.

After that of course, purchase new 2x2s that are sold specifically as Mylar or non-PVC. If you're unsure about the pages, replace those as well with non-PVC ones.

Check out the Mexican 50 centavos in this batch I did:

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As soon as I put it in acetone, chunks of that green gunk started to lift off.
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That is great guys thanks for the info!

I don't think there is any pitting yet so fingers crossed for that. For cleaning the coins in acetone, would that make the coins classified as 'cleaned' or does it just remove that nasty residue gunk? just wanted to make sure I won't have 100 cleaned coins :P
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Acetone is the safest thing to use and will not classify your coins as "cleaned". It is inert to the coins and will not harm them. Just make sure it is pure acetone and not something like nail polish remover with additives. You can find it at hardware stores in the paint section.

I use small wide-mouth glass canning jars for acetone soaks. It's important to keep it sealed while soaking or the acetone will evaporate quickly. If you wish, you can place a paper towel in the bottom to avoid coin to glass contact.

You will have to be very careful using any mechanical methods (like the q-tip I mentioned). That can possibly leave scratches on the coin and may lead to a "cleaned" designation.
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That is great. Thank you for those helpful tips :)

When you say that the q-tips can leave scratches and a cleaned designation, what would one do to avoid that happening? Are you suggesting a soft and not agressive cleaning approach with scrubbing? More like a soft massage to get some of the gunk out?
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Also, for the plastic sheets I am holding my coin holders in, they smell distinctively like a petroleum based product. Very chemically (is that a word? Doesn't matter... I just made it up lol). Would you say they are PVC as well and should look at getting new ones or are they fine. My wife said they distinctly smelled like rubber while I smelt cheap petroleum based products.
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Wow those are great results and some pretty beautiful coins afterwards. Nice stuff.
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How old are they and do you remember where from? If same as 2x2s, hmmm....I'd get all new, from a credible source, I use http://www.jakesmp.com, nice family run business, always good stuff, great service.
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PVC smells like shower curtain.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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When you say that the q-tips can leave scratches and a cleaned designation, what would one do to avoid that happening?


The cotton itself on the q-tip is not the concern. If you are moving it around on the coin surface, it can pick up harder debris and run it along the coin's surface as well, causing hairline scratches. There is a method I've had some success with and that is rolling the q-tip head over the surface, not wiping or scrubbing. A lot of remaining residue/debris will stick in the cotton fibers. That way, you're not actually scrubbing, just lifting the debris. If the coins are circulated, this is less of a concern.


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Would you say they are PVC as well and should look at getting new ones or are they fine.


If in doubt, get new ones for sure. They're not expensive. I have used a couple different types and really like the Guardhouse 20-pocket "thumb-cut" pages. They're made of polypropylene (safe) and can be had for less than $0.50 each online depending on how many you buy. I get mine off ebay.

I've also used the BCW 20-pocket and 12-pocket pages. They're safe but have a tendency to tear and I really like the thumb hole on the Guardhouse pages. Also, the Guardhouse page design is easier to use and less likely to tear.

I recently had some experience with old Cowens pages and I wouldn't recommend them unless they've changed their formulation. This was a small collection that sat for probably 20 years and the pages were hard as a rock and some of the larger denomination 2x2s had to be cut out because they were stuck to the 2x2 plastic.
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That is wonderful thank you for the cleaning advice with the q-tips :)


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PVC smells like shower curtain.
Yes the sheets do smell like that so out they go then! All my coins will need new homes haha.

One final question about the acetone cleaning... When cleaning, do you use fresh acetone for each coin or can you use the same amount to do a few? Also the same is for the water. Do I dunk the coin in fresh distilled water each time or can I fill a container with clean water and do a number before tossing it out? Just wasn't sure how careful I need to be with this contamination.

Thanks!
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Since all of your coins obviously have the same issue, I would start with two containers of acetone, one for soaking and one for rinsing (by "dunking"). Once the soaking acetone looks nasty, replace it with the rinse acetone and get new acetone for rinsing. Alternatively, you could use something like an eye dropper to use fresh acetone for the final rinse of each coin and catch that acetone to replace the dirty soaking acetone. You shouldn't rinse coins with water as the final rinse. Water is the enemy. Fresh pure acetone will be very dry, so the coin will be also when the acetone evaporates. If you are in a humid climate and you notice water condensing on the coins as the acetone evaporates, introduce a little air movement to prevent the water from condensing.
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You guys are forgetting the best method of all for taking care of light verdigris . Try Verdi-Care first before Acetone only if the PVC is light . If not then soak your coin in Acetone first ,then apply Verdi-Care as directed .
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