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 Posted 04/22/2018  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really appreciate moxking's grading opinions:
Technical grade ##
Eye appeal #/10
The occasional call out of issues.

I learn a lot about grading from his posts.

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 Posted 04/22/2018  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've tried to call it out but it's sometimes futile.


Sad but true, but it's all you can really do.
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 Posted 04/22/2018  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't been posting much in Grading forums lately, but I apologize if I have offended anyone with my opinions in the recent or not-so-recent past. There have been many valid points raised in this thread & I hope more people get the chance to see it and respond to it or share their insight.

Perhaps, as a community, if we feel someone is being excessively unreasonable, hostile, rude, or demeaning, we owe it to our community to report those posts or perhaps just send the individual a PM explaining why you feel that way. I'm not a big fan of "public shaming" on forums and I hope it stays away from CCF since I have seen it so often elsewhere. For instance, someone above mentioned that there were two posters who seem to be overly critical and negative -- has anyone tried sending them a PM to let them know? Perhaps they are not aware of how their posts are coming across to others.

I will also mention again that there are a wide range of collectors in our Family ranging from novices to YNs to advanced collectors, seasoned pros, and even dealers and sellers. All of those folks have different views on how they grade a coin or what they think of it. That being said, as a community, we should never be reluctant to share that opinion, even when it runs contrary to everyone else's, out of fear that we might offend someone else. I'd hate to see contrary opinions suffocated by some arbitrary standard that dictates that only "positive" opinions are acceptable when reviewing a coin posted for grading. If you, as a poster, cannot handle even the slightest bit of criticism, constructive or otherwise; or if you are looking for an echo-chamber of "me too" yes-men to wildly praise your every purchase and trade -- then perhaps the Grading forums are not suitable for you.

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 Posted 04/22/2018  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not a big fan of "public shaming" on forums and I hope it stays away from CCF since I have seen it so often elsewhere.


I know most people dislike me for being blunt which is generally correcting things discussed in this thread but it is what it is.

That said public shaming with completely wrong grading which has happened again today is the only way to combat it. Sadly those people will influence others, but also remember that they very well could have motivation to trash things as well.

There's at least one "expert" who no one should ever listen to who trashes things he wants to buy to keep the price down. Not sure these rise to that level, but people need to not be so trusting and yes grading that is so far off it's laughable should be addressed that way in my opinion
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 Posted 04/22/2018  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The responses in this thread say so much about this forum and the individuals who constitute the Coin Community family. From the moderators who have something positive to say about every single new acquisition posted to the regulars who are always willing to share their knowledge, I feel very fortunate to have discovered this site.
As with any public forum, there will always be a few that have very little to offer but still feel the need to contribute and not always in a positive way. Those comments become insignificant when rebutted by those who actually have some knowledge to share.
Chesterb, what I am trying to say is that this community is stronger with contributors such as you.
Bruce
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04/22/2018 10:01 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2018  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears most of the replies are based on things in the grading forum. I never go there but I think I'll start checking it out to see if all these reports are something to read. I don't frequent that forum since I'm a really lousy grader. I come from a time when a coin was either Good, Fine, Unc or Proof. And even with those few grades I'm usually off a little.
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 Posted 04/23/2018  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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or perhaps just send the individual a PM explaining why you feel that way.


With one of these users it would be absolutely futile. A nasty argument will ensue that will result with the user hurling insults, making ridiculous accusations, and calling you names. Mods end up taking down the posts. Been there done that as have other members who have seniority over me. I've noticed some of them no longer offer grading opinions. Bill Jones doesn't even post on this site anymore which sucks because he has a ton of experience and I really valued his opinion. You can still find him on the PCGS forum.

I would say to Chester and any others to not let a couple bad apples suppress your voice. I'm guilty as well. I haven't been as active in the grading section as I should be. That's about to change.
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 Posted 04/23/2018  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A parallel to this sort of situation:

I have been a member of a classic car club for more than 20 years.
I think that my car is pretty darn ' nice.
However, I will never competitively display it in a 'Concours d' Elegance', to try to be one of the best.

There are many others that do however, and good luck to them.
There are one or two, who do display and get aggressively disappointed when their car has not won first prize.
I am an apolitical sort of guy, and will still make good friends with all of the members, whether they display or not, even when they are disappointed.

I will take all comments here in the CCF in a kindly way, irrespective of what may be said.
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04/23/2018 03:32 am
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 Posted 04/23/2018  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The exact same thing Chester is referring to just occurred in the grading section. I swatted it down.

We need to start paying more attention to that section.
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04/23/2018 06:36 am
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 Posted 04/23/2018  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for swatting that down MikeF.

To the members that think everything is a Details coin:
There's no point in making a list of all the various scratches, toning, and microscopic damage the coin has. Better to just grade the coin, unless there is something actually wrong with it. Then give it a details grade. But not for obviously market acceptable damage.

If you don't know how to grade, then please don't post in the grading section.
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04/23/2018 10:46 am
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 Posted 04/23/2018  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SilverDollar2017 -- one of the points of the grading section is to help yourself, and others, learn how to grade coins. We do not want to discourage people from posting who are not familiar with grading -- in fact, those are the people who need the most help. I don't mind venturing forth with grades on coins I'm not that familiar with (gold, Buffalo nickels, Franklin halves, etc.) just because I know the other responses will help me learn to grade those series. In addition, thanks to PCGS Photograde, everyone has the chance to at least gain a passing familiarity with grading.
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 Posted 04/23/2018  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I shouldn't have phrased it that way. What I meant to say is, "If you don't know how to grade a particular series, watch the people who know how to grade it until you feel you are able to grade it yourself. Then go ahead and post in the grading forum about that series."
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 Posted 04/23/2018  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ralfsnart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys,

I guess here is an opinion of a "new to coins" but far from new to collecting perspective. Grandpa had 4 major things in his life, family,stamps,coins and military. I picked up the military and have been very active in the WWI and WWII collecting since the late 70s. So while I don't know coins, the hobbies/forums are eerie similar.

I notice some names in here of people that went out of their way IMO to give me advice and that I appreciate!

I also understand that you get overloaded with "my dad gave me a shoe box and now I'm rich" threads and it gets frustrating.We should never judge a collector by their posts, heck I had one fellow state that I had maybe a "couple thousand" in my collection....The 3 complete box sets of the 1992 Platinum cougars are worth more than that...so you never know.

With that said

-Welcoming was awesome, did not like the fact of my thread being moved from introduce yourself to the main forum but that was someone else s call.

-Canada grading - Didn't have a problem per say. I can feel the frustration because I am new. I did get a lot of responses but like mentioned hardly any with a reason why. I also noticed that if I asked a question or made it known I was struggling to understand something, far and few between helped...well depending on the COIN. Nice rarer coins get more attention, of course. I don't mind "harsh" or "blunt" criticize, but I am use to that in my other hobby, I can see where some people might get their feelers hurt though.

-Variation section I will be honest and I feel like a complete idiot and don't even want to post there any longer. And yes, I use the search function, I use google, I use as much as I can but if I'm still not sure...You have the photobucket missing pics problem also LOL....darn photobucket!!

Just my first week view of things so far. Our hobbies have the same problems for the future, youth. I am finding neither is doing a good job of attracting them. No matter how rare that coin you have is. if no one is around that wants it. its just metal/

Happy hunting and thanks for the help you have given me.
Edited by ralfsnart
04/23/2018 1:30 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2018  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all due respect to our OP'er, I've made many posts that got three responses or less. This thread is now three pages long!

Nice job!
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04/23/2018 3:34 pm
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ralfsnart,

The Canadian variety forum is not as active as the US forums, there are less collectors of varieties in Canada, and the ones we have, tend to focus on specific series of coins. Other times, the Canadian variety experts are busy working or on vacation (you really do notice when they are absent)


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Variation section I will be honest and I feel like a complete idiot.


This should never happen. If it does, just click on the link on the bottom right of each post that says (Report this Post to the Staff).

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