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1934 D Walking Liberty Half Question - Hello From Sunny Socal

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 Posted 08/15/2018  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ingodwetrust7, you are correct that the reverse appears better than the obverse. That's because the obverse has been messed with, thus destroying most if not all of it's numismatic value regardless if the coin is MS or AU.....and the images portray an AU coin. One of the most difficult areas in grading is the difference between a high AU coin and a low MS piece. AU coins often offer superior eye appeal than low MS pieces, but they are still lightly circulated.
Is there a local coin shop near you? You could always ask for an in hand opinion and what they would be willing to pay for it.
It is not an expensive nor rare coin, so your losses would not be large.
You had mentioned earlier that there is a premium for slabbed coins. You may pay a little more for it up front, but you also get that back when it's time to sell or upgrade.
Ask all the questions that you need, that's what we are here for.

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 Posted 08/15/2018  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is it that convinces you that this coin has been messed with, and what do you mean by being messed with. Does being messed with explain the hairline scratches, scuffs, and dents?

There is a coin shop near me so I will see what they have to say.
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 Posted 08/15/2018  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the hairlines I see on the obverse, and particularly where they are located and intensify. Hairlines can be caused through die polishing at the mint, or by cleaning a coin to enhance it's appearance. From the single image I have to evaluate (which becomes out of focus when I zoom in), my first thought was cleaned. Why? Look to the left of miss liberty, where the hairlines intensify and there is an abnormal 'shine' in the fields. That area should have been somewhat protected by the relief (high points) of the coin, keeping friction marks to a minimum. That said, it could be the image.
Your best bet is to have it looked at in hand. Ask him what he thinks caused them, how he grades it, and what he would offer you for it. Ask to look at a few examples from his inventory, and compare them side by side with this coin.
The neat thing about this whole exercise is how much knowledge you are gaining in such a short period of time.
Please let us know how it turns out.

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 Posted 08/15/2018  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adding to my previous post: do you believe the coin was altered in an attempt to deceive, or messed with, meaning that the obverse was carelessly mishandled.
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08/15/2018 11:22 pm
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 Posted 08/15/2018  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was altered (messed with) in the attempt to improve it's appearance.
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 Posted 08/16/2018  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not saying hadleydog is incorrect in his assessment, but when I saw the spot in front of Miss Liberty, I was just thinking the lighting used was making the spot appear overly bright and the marks were from the mint. Now if that spot is always a lot lighter no matter the angle, then yes, that area definitely has been messed with.

Trust me in that one of my areas of expertise is taking horrible coin pics b/c of lighting problems. Since I am used to not having correct lighting in my pics, I think I was reminded of that when I first saw yours.

It might also be good to take a few more pics and post them so we can see what affect the different angles of light would have on that area. Also, as I said before, post it in the grading section. That way our best graders on CCF can give a good opinion. I would not yet think you would have to spend the money to get it slabbed just to make sure of its condition. I think the grading area of the forum can give you a legit assessment - especially with more pics.

Hadlydog was giving wise advise when he said to see what a local coin shop would give also. Or maybe even take it into the shop and ask the owner if he would judge it to be an MS coins without saying you are wanting to sell. Tel him the whole story. I have, unfortunately, been in coin shops where if I said I wanted to sell something, the owner was not honest with me so he could get take advantage of the situation.







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 Posted 08/16/2018  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope this helps, Thanks

1934-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Question---Hello-From-Sunny-Socal
1934-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Question---Hello-From-Sunny-Socal

Strange reflection on the cheek of the 2nd picture.
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08/16/2018 02:31 am
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 Posted 08/16/2018  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is exactly why I mentioned earlier that grading from images is a dangerous game. The coin appears very different in each image.
That said, I still see an AU details coin, the hairlines are still there as are the gouges.
Please let us know what the local coin shop's opinion is, and your own after getting a chance to compare her side by side with other third party graded coins.
Enjoy the experience, a good local shop can be a wonderful asset.
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 Posted 08/16/2018  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The lighting makes it look much different. But I thought it made it look better!

I am interested in this thread b/c it will be a definite learning experience for me also. For the last couple months I have been studying this series. I still think this coin might be MS, but also admit I am still learning and hadleydog may very well have more experience with it.


Please do keep us posted. Whatever the case - its a beautiful coin.

BTW - your 34-D is the only D with two mint mark sizes. Yours appears to be the larger one:



1934-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Question---Hello-From-Sunny-Socal
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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 Posted 08/16/2018  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hadleydog

I followed Earle42 advice and post in the grading section. After I did I thought, I hope I didn't offend you by doing so. I do very much appreciate you taking the time to help me. Thanks!

Here is another coin 1934 P Walking Liberty half.
This is the last raw for now until I get a good handle on this. Your advice to purchase graded coins makes good sense.


1934-D-Walking-Liberty-Half-Question---Hello-From-Sunny-Socal
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08/16/2018 4:45 pm
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 Posted 08/16/2018  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, had a really bad experience at a coin shop near me. I asked the person who helped me, if he could evaluate my Walking Liberty half. He took in his hand and while he examined it, I told him that it was sold to me as a uncirculated coin. He quickly said "no it's probably not an uncirculated coin because everything is rounded over".

I asked if he noticed the left wing on the reverse. He looked at it again and said I don't see what you are referring to. I said, I was told it was a lamination error, he said maybe. I said maybe you need a loupe to see it. He just shrugged his shoulders and said, what is it that you want to know. I said I would like your opinion, he said in a rude tone, what is it that you want to know about it. I thanked him for his time said I'll go elsewhere.

This coin shop had the appearance of professionalism. That experience totally turned me off.
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 Posted 08/16/2018  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty sad experience indeed. I don't understand how a person can stay in business if they are not willing to help out. Its hard to believe someone owning a coin shop would not be able to tell a lamination error. Maybe see if someone on the forum can point you to a good shop in the LA area. I have a great one - but I am (more or less) near Gettsyburg!

BTW - love the looks of that 1934.
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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 Posted 08/16/2018  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This person I spoke to was clearly not the owner. I was just uncomfortable, being a rookie at this I just left. I am self employed and believe me that is no way to get a client keep client and of course keep the bills payed.
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 Posted 08/16/2018  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes this 1934 I just posted looks MS to me but aaaaaaaaaaaa what do I know!
The only real thing that bothers me so far, is the cheek on miss liberty?
Also can you tell me if this was protocol to put up another coin in this forum or should have I started a new one?
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