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1934 D Walking Liberty Half Question - Hello From Sunny Socal

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 Posted 08/17/2018  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ingodwetrust, I am sorry (and a little embarrassed for the hobby) regarding your experience at the coin shop. Please don't let one bad experience keep you from trying another shop. They can be a wonderful asset.
No problem posting in the grading forum, the more opinions the stronger the consensus.
The '34 you posted is far superior.
Keep asking questions, this is a wonderful forum you have come to is full of knowledgeable people who gladly share.
Enjoy the hunt!
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 Posted 08/17/2018  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember the forum family is always here to answer questions and we are eager to do so. Its not a bother.

As to the cheek - when I see it zoomed it just looks like it took a small hit.

Remember too that grading professional grading is respected by many collectors, but the more you research, the more you will find the systems definitely are not perfect. There are many threads on this forum showing this. Ron Guth, a former president of PCGS can be quoted as saying the best graders only get it right 80& of the time (which is why they use three graders per coin to help get a better idea), and the companies will tell you the system is subjective - an art - not a science.

So saying a grade is "the absolute right grade" for any coin is calling an art form a science. Marketers like this, but subjectivity is a fact of the system and keeping the subjectivity in mind helps keep a good focus.

The forum saying for slabbed coins is to buy the coin, not the slab. This is wise.

You will also find that different companies train their graders in different ways, hence not even "experts" from one company to another will agree. Just learn to tell cleaning in hand, browse the grading threads here, get a book and use it. I have read/used the ANACs grading standards when looking at slabbed coins as a help.

BTW - Mr. Guth has also mentioned anyone can learn to grade, it just takes experience.

Youtube vids can also help. I think it may have been a PCGS video in which I learned that weak areas can be told from worn areas on an MS coin because a weak strike area will still show unbroken cartwheel luster over it when the coin's face is rotated under a light source. Of course knowing, from reading, the typical places of weak strike for a series plus the video together were a great help.

The key is just to educate yourself as much as possible (and its fun!).

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 Posted 08/17/2018  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the help .
The 1934 coin, hairline that you see on the obverse near the sun is actually a hair or some sort of fiber stuck between the coin and the plastic cover.

I have noticed that on some coins, and I am just looking at WLH's at the moment , the field area on some coins has a more of an an orange peel like finish where others have a finish more like I see on the modern Silver Eagles. Does that mean anything?
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08/17/2018 09:59 am
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Like I said in your thread in the grading forum, this coin has been polished. Lack of cartwheel luster, hairlines, and a "cleaned" color = cleaned/dipped coin.


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the field area on some coins has a more of an an orange peel like finish where others have a finish more like I see on the modern Silver Eagles. Does that mean anything?


Those are die flow lines, caused by Die Deterioration. Normal and very common.
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08/17/2018 10:08 am
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 Posted 08/18/2018  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS didn't seem to have a problem with these scratches on this 1934 Walking Liberty half 50c #11672781 MS65.
Maybe it's scratches on the slab?

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 Posted 08/19/2018  05:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ingodwetrust7, I find it hard to imagine that 2 graders and a finalizer would have missed those if indeed they are present on the coin as the result of an attempted cleaning. Remember, they had the coin raw and in hand, we have only an image to render an opinion from.
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08/19/2018 05:53 am
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Those are most likely scratches from handling, not cleaning.

INGODITRUST7, Sorry, but there is no doubt in my mind that the coin you posted in the Grading forum is cleaned.
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08/19/2018 11:57 am
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 Posted 08/19/2018  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hadleydog - Is there a different view about hairline scratches caused by cleaning than by other means. I agree the graders could not have missed something that appears to be so obvious, must be another explanation. If those are scratches I'm thinking its the slab not the coin. Anyways I have a lot to learn about numismatics. I'm not even sure if I pronounce numismatic correctly.

SilverDollar2017 - No need to be sorry, I messed up, and if the lord dosn't take me soon it surely wont be the last. The seller has a great return policy so I'm OK.
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 Posted 08/19/2018  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Pretty sad experience indeed. I don't understand how a person can stay in business if they are not willing to help out. Its hard to believe someone owning a coin shop would not be able to tell a lamination error.


Honestly quite a few stay in business by not being helpful ever. They downplay everything then grade and sell their "cherry pick" for many multiples from what they bought it for.

I do kind of understand the point that a first time person comes in and is asking for free advice really, but I don't believe in lying to people or downplaying what you know. Far to many change their tune depending on how much they think you know.

Experiences like these do happen a lot unfortunately but fortunately it didn't cost the OP any money.
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I have a liberty with a similar mark.
To me it look like a "w" mine is a 1943
Walking liberty.
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 Posted 08/24/2018  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
basebal21,
I didn't ask for free advice, I asked this sales person if he would be willing to give me an evaluation or an opinion about my coin. If the policy is to not give free advice, then he should have politely told me that they charge a fee for evaluating coins. I actually was not expecting that anyone would be willing to offer very much that would be helpful, but I thought that I should at least try. This person not only was completely unhelpful he was downright rude.

This store is loaded with all kinds of eye candy for numismatist, a lot of items I am interested in purchasing. I admit I am not going to be spending thousand upon thousand's of dollars, but I am buying - just not there!

P.S.In California there is a sales tax exemption on Coins and bullion when over $1500.00 This will be my next purchase, I am making my list now! It will be a mixture of both bullion and coins, probably one MS65 coin and the rest bullion. As sit here and think about how to go about this, I think I should first find the coin that I like, and then just start picking out a mixture of bullion.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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08/24/2018 12:17 pm
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I didn't ask for free advice. I asked this sales person if he would be willing to give me an evaluation or an opinion about my coin.


Not trying to be a jerk, but unless you paid them to look at your coin that is asking for free advice. If you aren't paying it is free.

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08/24/2018 8:51 pm
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