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no fee if buyer requests canceled transaction.
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Are you saying we should follow the rules unless it costs us something, and then we can ignore them? I'm saying that the same rules should apply to the buyer and the seller. On that venue a buyer is allowed to cancel bids at will with no punishment, back out of a sale at anytime, not pay, try and get a cheaper price after the sale is completed before selling etc. As long as buyers are allowed to do that sellers should have the right to cancel sales they don't like. If the buyer is ever bound by their sale than the seller should be too. It shouldn't be that buyers can do whatever they want but sellers have to send things for a fraction of their value which may or may not have actually been visible in the first place. |
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I tend to agree with the above post. If a person can just back out of a binding auction at whim-if that's allowed , than I suppose it should be for a seller. Though both is unethical behaviour. ebay May have created a toxic commerce environment. |
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If everyone plays the game according to what they think the rules "should" be we would have chaos. In baseball there are rules. Not everyone likes all of them, but if they want to play they have to accept them. The umpires are there to make sure they do. Whether we like it or not, ebay sets the rules and umpires the game. I don't know why they have set up the rules they have for sellers and buyers, but I believe that their intent is for every seller to sell at the highest bid and for buyers to buy when they are the high bidder. Buyers and sellers can both refuse to honor their commitments, but as my Mom and Dad taught me, two wrongs don't make a right. From my experience, I'm glad to say that most of them do honor their commitments. |
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I thought that the purpose of a reserve was to prevent a situation such as this. If you have an item that would have a street price of $100 and you are prepared to part with it for $80, you can list it for $1 with a $80 reserve and it won't sell if the bidding doesn't hit the reserve, or you can BIN it at $80 - $120... your choice. To @Phil310's point, if there are rules, they should be followed and policed if necessary. If it is an anarchistic "do what you want", "get away with anything" regardless of role as buyer or seller then the marketplace is toxic as @Alan noted and should be avoided. BTW, I haven't been on ebay for a couple of years now for this very reason... added to the fact there is no curation or validation of authenticity beyond what is triggered by folks such as on this forum... You will pay more at auction houses such as Heritage but there is some confidence that you actually get legitimate product and without any last minute chicanery or being subjected to the kind of fraud that too many posts on this forum have decried. |
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I tend to agree with the above post. If a person can just back out of a binding auction at whim-if that's allowed , than I suppose it should be for a seller. There's no way to force a buyer to pay through ebay and they can cancel bids. I actually like ebay as a buyer for the selection, but there are a lot of things as a seller many don't realize. For the record I don't do 99 cent ebay auctions for a reason, I would never start anything below my lowest price. That said buyers don't have to pay and can back out. I believe that things should be fair and if one can the other can as well. For a sale to be binding it has to be binding for both parties not just one. I don't think anyone should avoid ebay, but it's always good to take a step back and consider all the facts and look at both sides Edited by basebal21
02/26/2019 7:45 pm
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If you guys would like another side to the story, consider this.
Last year I had some one who was the higher bidder on 6 or 8 auctions. He canceled his bid at the end on some then wanted the others canceled. From some of these comments some of you would say I shill bid my auction when in fact I did nothing wrong and had to relist them.
Do sellers on there do things wrong yes, so do buyers.
A lot of times people get upset because they feel they were cheated out of making money. A lot of us are very reasonable, without more information of a seller the pitch fork response is over blown.
There's many scamming buyers out there as well, should sellers be demonized for not shipping to them if not why not?
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From what I can glean from the actual auctions being referred to ... the buyer and seller are the same people/person using different ebay ID's. It costs nothing for either the buyer or seller if either cancels the auction. All you get is a buyer and seller (same person) getting 5-star feedbacks. The buyer (who has cancelled the previous auction) then knows what some people are willing to pay for an item and sets a new minimum or starting price ... or the seller can actually boast that the item sold for xxx price, even though it was to himself and he's listing it again for an even higher price. |
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It makes me question the value of such errors and varieties. Some seem obscure, if there's only 1 or 2 people interested then they won't sell for much I suppose
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if there's only 1 or 2 people interested then they won't sell for much I suppose Can't the same be said for a house or a car or a business though? If you buy a house for 400K would you be upset you didn't get to bid on it for 99C from the start? Life is too short to nit pick these things, we control what we pay and real scammers are out there if someone wants to put the effort in Edited by basebal21
02/26/2019 11:10 pm
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Why should a person blame another one for not willing to sell for cheap? It's a personal business decision.
Shill bidding is a sort of marketing strategy. If it makes you money why not use it.
No one forces you to pay more than you will. Don't like the way a seller does business - just stay away.
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Why should a person blame another one for not willing to sell for cheap? It's a personal business decision. They are not blaming anyone for not selling cheap. They are questioning whether the seller was wrong to not honor their commitment under the rules. Quote:
Shill bidding is a sort of marketing strategy. If it makes you money why not use it. As was pointed out previously shill bidding is prohibited under the rules. Quote:
No one forces you to pay more than you will. Don't like the way a seller does business - just stay away. I am tempted to do a poll, but I won't. If I did, this would be the question: How do you view ebay rules? 1. They are rules and should be followed by all participants. 2. They are suggestions only and do not need to be followed if you don't agree with them. I really fear what the results would be. If enough people believe option 2 is correct I think a whole lot of people will "stay away" and ebay might become a thing of the past. |
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Money rules and rules are bend to make the money. As long as money is being made everyone is happy. When that stops the rules are in forced. Just don't be on the wrong side of the fence when the rules are in forced.
I don't agree in what I said but it is truth.
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I thought that the purpose of a reserve was to prevent a situation such as this. If you have an item that would have a street price of $100 and you are prepared to part with it for $80, you can list it for $1 with a $80 reserve and it won't sell if the bidding doesn't hit the reserve, or you can BIN it at $80 - $120... your choice. Not taking sides here, but the reserves for ebay is enormously high. The reserve cost on a $650 dollar item is $55. Add that to the 10% ebay fee and additional paypal fee, thats almost 20% gone from the seller. Also, some BINs don't sell for a certain price, but the auction can reach the price. Honestly, sometimes its just luck. |
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In the early 2000's, I reported shill bidders and counterfeit sellers on ebay. In those days you could follow all the bids, none were private and the full bidder ID was marked. I would mark sheets by bids and found many bidders only making bids on a hundred of one seller's items, in 20 different categories, all 3 seconds apart. It was a computerized program to systematically outbid the top bid on every item. ebay would shut them down and they would just return with another name. Later on, ebay started hiding the bidder ID and it became really hard to follow. You have to match the feedback score to only the first and last part of the bidder ID, and as****es can use so many different methods, and I gave up. (If you want to start, use the ID name above as****es, [shol works well], and maybe add maybe 3 more ***'s, and you get lost quickly) I also bought an early pile of Chinese counterfeit "crowns", 72 of them (UK, Mexico, US, France, S. Africa, Cuba, etc.) and made an advisory on the ebay community pages. It disappeared a bunch of years later and more Chinese counterfeits continued. As another contributor here says each time he posts, "Ainsi va la vie" "That's how life goes". p.s. ainsi - don't apologize for your English. I've live in Quebec since I was 15 (54 years), married into a francophone family, worked a lot in conversational French, and wish I could write as well in French as you do in English, Bravo. Is that le or la ? Edited by TerryT
02/28/2019 02:40 am
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