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Could we be looking at a die gouge (or series of gouges) caused by a foreign object or a dropped letter?
Wouldn't that cause an incuse area in the die (particularly if the problem was originally a dropped letter which subsequently broke into smaller pieces) which would be transferred to the next coin as a raised area?
Also, as an alternative theory, if a die is gouged or scratched in such a way that it has both raised metal and an incuse area (think of how we diagnose scratches on the surface of a coin) wouldn't the raised metal on the die transfer as an incuse mark on the coin at the same time the incuse area on the die transfers as a raised area on the coin, thus resulting in an area with both incuse and raised features?
Not saying any of this happened here and not taking any sides in the fight, just throwing out an possible explanation for thoughtful discussion.
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It's obviously damage. Metal movement is very clear. Some of the scraps are raised because metal has been moved. PMD, nothing else. |
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The raised marks around TRUST is absolutely not PMD. No way you can get that much metal raised off the surface of the coin without a significant incuse area. Die damage/gouges are likely. Large die gouges, especially ones that occur at an angle, can displace some metal and create a raised area on the die which will result in a slight incuse area next to a large raised area on the struck coin. I believe someone else mentioned this earlier in the thread. The raised area below the date, however, is likely PMD. Looks typical of a contact mark on the edge of the coin. |
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Thank you everyone for not taking anything I said personally and just understanding where I'm coming from. I started this hobby over 2 years ago and like I have said, learned a lot from my time on the forum. I know most on here want to learn and share knowledge they have accumulated. Some have egos. We can all put our 2 cents in and that's how we break a dollar. Sorry for the bad and maybe incoherent pun but there are some who just say it's this and dont give 3examples or reasons. I know there are rules to replying to a topic but if you think you know why a coin is the way it is, back it up with an example or explanation. I'm gonna send this coin to Wexler and just ask him to look at it. I dont want it certified or to be the first or to even have it come back as a one off. I just have never seen something like this and want to learn. I love this hobby and the thrill of the hunt is more than enough for me. At the end of the day I just want to know why and how. If you cant provide both of those when giving me an opinion on a specimen, dont reply to my posts please. You wont hurt my feelings. Thank you to everyone who actually read my op and replies and understands where im.coming from. I honestly have been thinking maybe pieces that have splintered off after punching planchet maybe for fed in with blank planchets and damaged the die but nobody noticed is a.real scenario except for the shapes of the raised areas. They share characteristics with devices on the reverse. I'm just gonna send it to Wexler with a ?.
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@wn, I think that is a prudent pathway forward. In looking over the two and a half pages of replies to your initial post, I can see that we haven't really come to a consensus on what you have there. Please follow up on this thread once you have your reply from Wexler. Thx!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Btw, there is no are above or below the S. There is a raised area to the left of the top of the S and another area that is on the actual S that is raised even higher. There are no low areas, gouges, or valleys or precipices or trenches or ditches or shallow lands or cracks or canyons or any other synonamitcal words that describe a spot lower than the original fields I'm talking about that make sense
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Should I be worried about sending this coin right now, seeing as how the USPS is revolting and they have removed 5 drop boxes in my area?
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Does anyone know if J.W. has accepts coins courier by ravens?
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Guys, my bad. It was a booger. Not just that, I think it was one of my own. It was.really dry the other day and I had an hanger and rememberd i.used a 2020 p Jefferson to remedy the problem. Sorry for all the confusion. Man I feel stupid. Thanks for all the healthy dialogue -)
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It was debris on the coin?
Did you soak it in acetone in preparation for sending it off?
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This is erratic (non-patterned) die damage. Basically a scattering of small die dents produced when the die encountered some debris in the striking chamber.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
08/17/2020 6:30 pm
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Can I see an example that resembles this?
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I've never seen die damage like this and looked for examples online and csme.up with nothing close. I would just like an example so I know what to look for in the future.
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If this is erratic damage like you say Mike Diamond and it's from just debris in the chamber then where are the other ones like it? If it damaged a die to cause this anomaly then why is there no example of it to be found anywhere else? Show me an example that looks remotely close to this one. I'm sure you have an example.
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