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Nov 5th 2020 75th Anniversary Gold Silver Coins

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Thanks @Eagle4Life and @wyzeguy!
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I would sell immediately. I cannot recall a mint release that appreciated by a whole lot after the initial free market increase (of course somebody here will prove me wrong). I don't think there will be sustained demand for this coin regardless of the mintage. When I think of the coins I could buy for $10K, this one in not in my top 10,000.


I also got a v75 gold eagle and am wondering if some of the gold or US Mint experts on this forum can offer some guidance.

I know the 2019 Enhanced Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle has appreciated quite a bit since its release. And this AGE has much much lower mintage.

If you have a v75 gold eagle, would you hold (and speculate the price will go higher) or sell now?
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I, for one, am not a fan of the mint changing its sale/resale strategies. I had a 100% record of getting these low-mintage releases until the last 2 offerings

There are literally thousands of people who purchased the 2019-S enhanced reverse proof ASE, the 2020-W v75 AGE and the 2020-W v75 ASE who do not collect coins, are not collecting either series and are only looking to profiteer off of the mint's free-for-all sales system. The mint absolutely should make an effort to give preference to loyal customers who buy the unlimited AGE's and ASE's. The primary point of having some coins with low mintages was so loyal customers wouldn't be stuck with high mintage offerings that only depreciate in value. A sales process that results in these same customers having to pay more for the low mintage offerings is no better and I'd argue actually worse.
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@GraphTheory I would be quite shocked if gold didn't go up in value over the next few years (not financial advice). As for the premium on the coin, I'm not familiar enough with the AGE series to make a good judgment. I'm holding my ASE, though, due to it being the last piece in a now-finished set, and I suspect that many people will try to fill in the gaps of their ASE collection over the next few years. However, there are far fewer collectors of the AGE (and those who do collect it likely have more money than ASE collectors and might also be more likely to have the resources to fill in all of their gaps at once), so I'm not sure if that feature, which also applies to the AGE, will have the same effect.
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The mint absolutely should make an effort to give preference to loyal customers who buy the unlimited AGE's and ASE's.


Sorry, but I disagree, the low mintage items are one of the few things that increase in value. I only collect bullion ASE (well the 1996 is a proof), but I have the 2019 S - ERP and I was able to get a V75 2020 ASE. I may not collect the whole series, but its better buying these than getting a proof for $73 and in a few years the local coin shop sells for $45. While I buy a few things from the mint as I like the products, I'm mostly in it for the items that are limited editions. The way the mint does it works for almost everyone on here as most got the coin. The ASE was available for over an hour. All it took was patience to get one. Yes it was frustrating, but its the fun of getting one. The profit/appreciation is also nice. But I haven't sold my 2019 S-ERPs.
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I got my two coins in today. Beautiful.

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Sorry, but I disagree, the low mintage items are one of the few things that increase in value.

Of course I agree with this. Nothing I wrote was to the contrary.


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I only collect bullion ASE (well the 1996 is a proof), but I have the 2019 S - ERP and I was able to get a V75 2020 ASE. I may not collect the whole series, but its better buying these than getting a proof for $73 and in a few years the local coin shop sells for $45.

My point is that people who collect the series and pay the money for the unlimited mintage coins that frequently decrease in value should be put in the line in front of those who are just in it to resell to others.


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While I buy a few things from the mint as I like the products, I'm mostly in it for the items that are limited editions. The way the mint does it works for almost everyone on here as most got the coin.

Many who collect the series didn't get them while people who could care less about coins did.


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The ASE was available for over an hour. All it took was patience to get one. Yes it was frustrating, but its the fun of getting one.

It was about an hour and 42 minutes, but saying that it was available is a gross misrepresentation of the reality of what happened. I was very patient and spent the entire hour and 42 minutes trying, but failed to get one. Random luck was the primary thing that determined who got one.


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The profit/appreciation is also nice. But I haven't sold my 2019 S-ERPs.

I agree appreciation is nice. I thought that the household limit of the 2019-S ERP's was one? Did you buy your extra(s) on the secondary market or did you game the system to get more than your allotted limit (at the expense of a fellow collector)?

BTW, I'm not a collector of the AGE's and I've never purchased one directly from the mint. Most people who have purchased AGE's from the mint have seen their purchases decrease significantly in value as they've lost the vast majority of their premium. By limiting the mintage of this AGE to 1,945 the mint did two things. They ensured that there will never be more than 1,945 complete sets and they ensured that only the extremely wealthy will have an opportunity to be one of the 1,945. I have absolutely no problem with people being wealthy, but I don't think the mint helps its future offerings by limiting the completeness of the series to so few people. Future mint direct sales of AGE's will suffer as collectors won't bother because they don't have a realistic way of completing the series.
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I thought that the household limit of the 2019-S ERP's was one? Did you buy your extra(s) on the secondary market or did you game the system to get more than your allotted limit (at the expense of a fellow collector)?


Its not really gaming the system, my brother knows I collect coins and has been helpful when I ask him to. But sometimes he also does it for himself (like the ASE 75th anniversary as he has his coin already while mine is on the slow train).

I believe you and I are mostly on the same page, but I like the free for all of these limited editions. Since the vast majority of mint products are a losing proposition, I like that we have 1 or 2 items a year that have an upside. And I'm going to get them when I can.
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I agree that we're mostly on the same page. I just think that the mint could do much better with its distribution process. Their actions show that they don't give a poop about their collector customers. I do wonder where in the world the Citizens Coinage Advisor Committee is on this.
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Many who collect the series didn't get them while people who could care less about coins did.


If collectors got priority on issue, then these coins wouldn't appreciate as much either, though--as many of the collectors frantically seeking them to close out their set would already have them... So it is a two-sided coin for the collector, insofar as the coin being harder to obtain for other collectors makes one's own collection more valuable (so long as one actually did manage to get one on issue).
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got my two coins in today. Beautiful


Very nice! Thanks for posting! Really love the AGE design. Wish they would make a silver version of it. Have you decided what path you'll be taking with these?
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Their actions show that they don't give a poop about their collector customers.


I was pretty certain the mint doesn't care much about the average collector. You can see this when they sell thousands of limited edition coins to larger dealers at 50%+off. https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...-bid-auction


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I just think that the mint could do much better with its distribution process.


This is the point on that we disagree on. Anything the mint does to limit the access to these limited edition coins will hurt some collectors. Like I stated above, I have the full set (1986 to 2020) of Bullion ASE and I have a few proofs from various years when the prices are good (I picked up a few at the Philadelphia mint), but majority I didn't get at the US Mint website as the prices are higher than if I wait a year or 2. So if they limited to only "collectors" how could you be certain it includes all? Many people buy on both the US Mint and the secondary market.
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So if they limited to only "collectors" how could you be certain it includes all? Many people buy on both the US Mint and the secondary market.

All bullion ASE's are sold on the secondary market, so they wouldn't be included. If a point system was used for the coins sold directly to the public, then those who buy the unlimited mintage coins (likely to lose value) would be given priority over those who prefer to buy on the secondary market because they don't like losing value on the unlimited offerings. They could do it by series, so getting a priority for limited mintage ASE offerings would mean nothing for the limited mintage AGE offerings.
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Very nice! Thanks for posting! Really love the AGE design. Wish they would make a silver version of it. Have you decided what path you'll be taking with these?


I plan on keeping the silver.

For the gold I did reach out to some local dealers and one Craigslist person responded to my ad, but none are offering over $10K like I see on ebay. I might wait to see what kind of prices ebay has once people start getting the graded gold coin back, then maybe I'll send in for grading. Then again, I have no problem keeping it in my collection (this would be my first gold piece). One dealer told me the prices were a bubble, but then again why is he offering such an inflated price if there is a "bubble". Probably to instill some kind of urgency in my mind. Maybe he can flip it again quickly I suppose. In my thinking, once the hype dies down and all 1945 units are flipped and settled in a private collection, the price could increase even more as there continues to be demand to complete collections with little supply in the market. Only time will tell...and my wife thinks I am crazy for even buying it because it only says it is worth $50. LOL

I agree, I would be a buyer if the gold design was available on silver.
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