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Very nice Bob. 
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More cool stuff you guys, that ringed bowl is very attractive Bob and I REALLY like that bird vase MD!
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I appreciate the comments, Kevin and Chris.
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Impressive! Congrats!
The painted decoration on a lot of the Indus Valley pottery is appealing. Still, I've stayed away from that collecting area (South Asia) only because I don't know enough about it to feel comfortable with purchases I might make - particularly with regard to gauging authenticity. It would be a pretty steep learning curve for me, and I've already got my hands full with material from (mostly) Western Asia and, occasionally, the Mediterranean region.
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Here's a modest Greek lamp that I picked up last week. Interestingly, it has a 1915 signature that reads: "Lamp from Macedonia...Kieffer...1915...(ASN)" Although it may be doubtful that anyone can provide insights about the signature, I posted it on the Ancient Artifacts section of groups.io today. The individual who signed the lamp may simply have been a private collector or a store owner lost to time. But if he (?) was known in academia or archaeology, perhaps someone contributing to the hive mind of the Ancient Artifacts group will know something about this person. I am also at a loss regarding the "ASN" reference. Any thoughts? Here's how I have the lamp written up in my gallery: Greek c. 3rd century BC 73 mm (2.9") (l) x 38.1 (1.5") (h) Description: Wheel-made body, black glazed, large central filling hole, nozzle gouged and broken, inward sloping shoulder, concave underside of base signed in ink. Form similar to this Attic example from the Met: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/colle...earch/241699The collage came out a bit dark - the aged glaze is a dark brown rather than (as it may appear here) its original black. It's not quite as dark in person as it may appear on screen. Overall, for a $50 purchase, I'm pleased. 
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That is a really nice pick-up Bob. As to ASN, my first thought is "American Society" of somethings. Maybe Naturalists?
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That's an awesome lamp and a great price too! I have an Egyptian Ushabti with small numbers written on it. I think museums and some collectors used to mark artifacts for their inventory.
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Thanks, guys. Dave, that's as good a guess as any.  Quote: That's an awesome lamp and a great price too! I have an Egyptian Ushabti with small numbers written on it. I think museums and some collectors used to mark artifacts for their inventory. The best part is there was no extra charge for the mystery! You're right about inventory numbering directly on artifacts in the old days. I've got quite a few pieces - ancient pottery and weapons - with old cataloging numbers written on them. I suspect some of the writing on these pieces was done in situ at the dig sites, but that others are from when the pieces were part of collections. Coincidentally, the Met lamp I linked to above has numbers on it - but perhaps stamped or stenciled on rather than written out.
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What an attractive little lamp, Bob. Quite a steal at $50 all in.  The signature is interesting for sure, possibly indicating a survey of a city or region of Macedonia? (Archaeological Survey of N?)
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You might want to see if you can obtain a copy of the book "Archaeology behind the battle lines: the Macedonian Campaign (1915-19) and its legacy" (Shapland & Stefani, eds.) as an ancillary reference.
ISBN 9781138285255 / 1138285250
There are quite a few other references which document some of the many archaeological finds made by the British and French expeditionary armies in Salonika while digging trenches.
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Thanks for the suggestion, Adam. Sounds like an interesting reference book.
FYI, I posed the question - about the signature - on the Ancient Artifacts board at groups.io. David Knell, an ancient lamp authority and owner of the RomQ Reference site for lamps, narrowed the attribution to "Greek colonies (Howland Type 25), late 4th-3rd centuries BC," but he is stumped regarding the writing on the underside. He wrote, "'Kieffer' may be a distorted anglicised form of a Greek findspot ('K' [kappa] is a common initial for place names in Greece) but nothing comes to mind."
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I would be more inclined to think it's the name of the archaeologist or soldier who found it in 1915.
Kieffer is an oddly specific spelling to use for a name, and not one that would have come to mind readily if trying to come up with something that started with a kappa.
I did find some information about a Jean-Jacques Kieffer who was a French entomologist and active contemporary to this era (ca. 1905-1915.) He was cited in ASN journals for prior research related to insects, but I can't find any evidence that he was ever in Macedonia during 1915, although he was in East Africa in 1911-1912 (besides, a war zone would have been an odd place for a 58 year old entomologist to visit.) He was not an ASN member, at any rate, at least not that I can find.
The letterforms are one thing I was looking at as well; the M and P are quite distinctive in Macedonia and lamp.
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Very interesting. Thanks so much for investing some time on this. I genuinely appreciate it.
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