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Send all of them to PCGS.
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Your right....i need to send to PCGS.
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Have you tried depressing them with a toothpick?
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Your right....i need to send to PCGS.


PCGS does not grade cleaned coins. They'll be sent back to you in a plastic bag with an "ungradable" tag, what's know as body bagged in the hobby.
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I'm coming into the conversation late.
I would suggest duplicating your helpers cleaning procedures. The same number of cents, same liquid, same time in soak, same container especially.
If all of the original plating has not been removed by your process then you most likely are seeing a reaction by the coin to its cleaning environment.
Note, the reverse pic of a 43 steel cent that your friend sent you is an example of a coin struck by a die that had Feeder Finger Damage. This is often seen on coins from that era.
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All the steel penny pics are what I have. The Morgan dollar pic was what she sent for comparison.

And if you read how we clean them with just lemon juice...it would be impossible to see that kind of damage.

May I suggest that these are just coins that will not be understood or agreed on.

And thanks about PCGS not evaluating cleaned coins. I have another source.

Take care all thank you.
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I have another source.

Please let us know the outcome
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Interested in your coin cleaning process and how you make them look like they are replated. Can you post any pictures of a few coins going through your process? You don't have to show any "Trade Secrets" per se. Or even a before and after pic?
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I do not have photos of the "process" because I didnt think it was a big deal. The photos I have do show before and after, but are for advertising. If I post it, I would be advertising my stores on here and I thought that was a no-no.

I sell these all day long on ebay and Etsy. I cannot reveal to much. I`m sure you understand. The "process" we use was allready posted persay early on.

We do not really sell these steels straight out. Most all go into production coins like Ruthenium Styled coins and all are marked circulated and "restored shiny steel".

But at no time do we use any form of plating. These are simply put, cleaned and "polished" steel pennies, as if you took them to a Jeweler.

This is why you can see their original machine lines, no buffing scratches and the entire surface of each coin is evenly cleaned.

These error/defective coins should have been caught beore cleaned but some I missed and some my neice missed. So I saw these errors over a week ago from the batch I cleaned, before coming here to try and get assistants.

Thank you.
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I cannot reveal to much. I`m sure you understand.

No, not really. You already said you soak in lemon juice and salt then polish them. How can pictures of what the coins start like and what they look like going through the process "reveal" anything? Just curious what kind of shape they are in to start then how they transform into a reprocessed like shine.
If you don't want to show us then what's your ebay handle - I'll buy a few. They sound pretty interesting.
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Ok....i should add that it takes a total of 20 minutes approx each, to get these looking that way after initial lemon juice soak.

I have plenty you can buy that this method was done but have slight scratches or dings....lol. We only use/sell completely undamaged Steels. And they have to be VF-45 or up.

We are honest with our buyers. Any coin we modify is clearly marked in our listings. We never clean Silver or Gold and never normally clean error coins.

I would also like to add....we sell more of our "restored" coins than any. Even if Buyers have a choice between "natural or restored".

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Doesn't it seem odd to you that this is the first time you have found these on coins you are "processing? And you have found this 50 or so out of 1000. 5% of the coins in your order had these anomalies. Simply too many to be coincidental or an unknown mint error.
Were these from a new supplier or from someone you have bought from before?

I'm going to make a suggestion that will be much less costly than sending to any service. Sacrifice one of the coins by seeing if the raised area will come off by scraping with a knife or dental pick. Look to see what is under the surface. I too, believe that something about the process you use left these raised areas on the coins (if they aren't Chinese)

ANACS might grade them if they are a true mint error and send them back but they would have a "Details" grade from cleaning.

Maybe I missed it, but how much does one weigh?
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I think this will help. Just took this photo. On left is average circulated uncleaned. Right is after full process.

The lighting is clear, l.e.d. ring light. Shot with 8mp cell phone.


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I posted a pic of one on scale earlier at 2.7. They are the correct weight, and I did try to modify bumps. They are simply part of the pennies as solid metal.

I buy these allways from the same vendor. This will be the third batch. 1,000 pennies per order. We allways screen every coin we get.

As seen in other photos, they still have machine lines so I cant beleive they were replated by anyone in their lifetime. And if this extra debris were going to come off, I assure you it would have by the time they finished our treatment on them.

And yes, they have to be seen by live. I dont beleive anyone could decipher how these came to be by just looking at photos at this point.

There is one theory that was presented to me. That these were "faulty struck planchets that were reused to make the penny in order to save steel." Seems logical but again, nothing current Wexler or other catalogs have documented.

I may only have a few hundred posts on here because most of the time I do my own work and usually figure things out myself. I personally have been into coins and collecting for many years and this is not my first Rodeo. My focus, is not on error coins. Hence why I'm in this Community.

The focus or attention on these coins seems to prevail to thinking they were somehow "plated", or our actually gentle cleaning method could possibly extrude steel. There is no super heat or electric used. In fact cold water is a key when cleaning them which is not everyones favorite chore here.

But I still thank everyone that has contributed their knowlege and time to try and figure these out. There has to be a simple answer. My guess is their a fluke or error during production that didnt get scrapped by QC,s.
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It is simple. They are damaged coins from being plated. You can soak them in lemon juice for weeks and its not taking electroplating off. Lemon juice isn't a new method. It will leave an etch look and then you just polish the plating thats already there along with whatever is under it.

Send them to get graded. No matter what is mentioned here your mind was made before you started this topic.
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