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2012 Toonies, Error Or Fake?

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 Posted 05/27/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The two coins on the scale are the common 2012 security type toonies, they both have the security features plus the original types weigh like 7.3 grams or so. Which part of Canada are you from ? if you want to know more you need access to an XRF
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 Posted 05/27/2021  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sammeli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rocky your wrong it not the older version of the 2012 he show but the newer 2012 version.
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 Posted 05/27/2021  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm from Ontario, and there is no video anywhere explaining the sound being weird or even an article I can fine. Aside from that it looks weird, I'll look up more on testing it. But I assume most of that kind of stuff is closed atm. Also I should look at more toonies around the same year because the queen is really close to the edge at the bottom of the core compared to the other. But ya in general I need better equipment myself to be a better coin enthusiasts. I wish there was more info on Canadian coins, all the ones iv posted iv never seen anything like them that's why I persist in asking about them
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 Posted 05/27/2021  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are really cool error coins that 30 years ago an XRF test was almost impossible to access today not like I mentioned many large coin or gold buyers will have one, instead the collectors scratched the error coins deeply to see if it's plated, they just destroyed 2|3 of it's value, although this coin is severely circulated the drop test is not a good way to determine what you have, since you now weighed the coin and it's within range, most likely you have a fake. If you are close to Toronto, when the lockdown ends Canadian Coin and Currency in Richmond Hill has a really good XRF tell them you have this odd looking obverse tooinie and probably they will zap it for you, good luck
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 Posted 05/28/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I live in Hamilton, right by Toronto, there is alot of gold dealers here, and a coin collector, tho he dosnt deal in errors really but might have the machine your talking about. Do you know if the queen on my toonie is normal or not? It's definitely closer to the rim then the other 2012 toonie I posted for comparison.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On page three you can see the two side by side and when you zoom in you can see the odd sounding toonies queen is closer to the outer ring then the other toonie
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 Posted 05/28/2021  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The queen looks normal, it just looks different due to the tone it acquired during circulation and the queen being closer to the rim can also happen when the core is not centered perfectly.

As for rocky's comment on possibly being a doubled die, there is no way of telling by those photos and what he should have said was to look and see if it was... not lead you to believe it is.

If there is a doubled die present you would need to get a lot closer than the photos provided. I would recommend getting yourself a cheap USB microscope ($20.00 on ebay) if you intend to search for errors & varieties.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, and ya idk if the if the core is off center, I went through all my other toonies this one's the only one that's close to the rim like this, how can I test to see if the core is centered? And I'll have to grab a better camera or what u said
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just phone the Hamilton dealers if they have an XRF, hand held units are around 5000 bucks the table top version that Canadian Coin and Currency uses is close to 100 K it's a nice drive to Richmond Hill when things are back to normal. I agree the Queen does look to be different, thus the next step is an XRF but zap both the rim and insert. The ring or drop test are subjective while the weight and XRF are exact
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This toonie core is not really off center, cores off centered will have day light showing through or part of the yellow core is struck onto the rim design
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Then why is the queen so close to the rim? I went through like 20 toonies a few minutes ago and none of them are nearly as close to the rim as this one. It's almost touching the rim.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I'll have to check it out when the dealers open back up, I have about 100-150$ In change from nickels to toonies to go through so a microscope would be very useful for spotting little extra metal or minor errors that I can't see with my own eye. I need to find at least one minor error coin or something so I have a collection started. Is there any coin years worth holding onto that have a low mintage or something?
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, queen is normal. I took the liberty of making an overlay GIF with the images you provided so that you can see.

I usually don't bother doing these, but figured it may help.


2012-Toonies,-Error-Or-Fake?
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05/28/2021 10:01 am
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In your gif you can see the queen is closer to the edge at the bottom. When it switches from one to the other the outer edge gets further away from the queen at the bottom of the coin
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the only part of the overlay I can notice that the queen dosnt dosnt match up, like a large bust version lol
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