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1960 Lincoln Memorial Cent - Fake?

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Does this coin look odd to anyone else? Lettering is in high relief and in places really sharp (see every step on reverse), while other places like the date and the last S in STATES look like late die state. Planchet is 3.05g and has grain with even a bit of slight woody at the crook in the back of the neck down through the collar, but also looks pitted like a cast coin.

I don't know, I just was checking a Whitman album and saw this and it looked different. Seeing if anyone agrees or if I'm just hoping for another counterfeit and seeing things.

1960 Lincoln Memorial cent - fake?


1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
1960-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---Fake?
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Yeah no that does not look right to me.

I'm betting your hypothesis of it being a high quality cast is correct.
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That is a fake. Wow. I've seen everything now. What's even the point? It's like that fake of the 2004-D Kneelboat nickel that surfaced a few years ago.
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I agree, it has that cast pitting look to the surface. But why would someone counterfeit a 1960 cent? The "FG" looks off too.
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Yes, the first question would be "Why"?
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Perhaps a test coin? I've spoken to people where they try to cast worthless coins for testing, or trying to test their ability to replicate such a coin.
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Odd texture and date. The lips seem to have some doubling? Good eye catching that one.
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practice ?
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Interesting.
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A cast coin would not be sharper than the original. To me this Looks like a proof that has been put into circulation.
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I am probably going to go down in flames here—differing with folks who know way more than I do—but I am thinking the same as Eligius.

Wouldn't that fin on the reverse rim suggest striking, as well as the sharp lines where the devices meet the fields?

I am envisioning proof cents and nickels liberated from lower value proof sets of that era during times of high silver prices.

The wood grain effect also seems to counter the cast fake hypothesis.
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There is no way this is a proof Eligius.

Proofs do not look like this in the slightest. I own a few 1960 proofs and this coin screams "wrong" in every sense. The date is too thin, the coin itself is too grainy. I can keep going.

It's most likely a cast.
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There are lines that appear to be roller lines or wood grain. Can someone create a mold that would be fine enough to capture roller lines, and then obtain that level of detail on the cast product? Or introduce a molten alloy to obtain striping like wood grain? Kind of like the question of how could a supposed "error" be created from the minting process, I have the same question about how this could be explained by casting.

Authentic or not, I have yet to see a cast fake posted on here that could come close to achieving this level of detail and sharpness.

Once upon a time, I could have walked down a hall and picked the brain of metallurgists who studied castings, but I have no such colleagues anymore.

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@tb, is there any remarkable about the edge?
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I don't thing it's a proof, but I also don't think it's fake. Something has happened to the surfaces of this coin that is creating the odd appearance. The step weakness on the reverse would indicate a business strike and the FG seems to be thin on normal coins of this type, so something that has eaten at the surface would just exaggerate that as well as thinning details like the date. You can still see some of the master die doubling on the lower curl of the 6. Maybe corroded, naturally or artificially, then whizzed?
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Die polishing altered the coins devices. Removing the fields in an extreme fashion, makes the devices shorter. There must have been some sever clashing on this die. It is a real coin.
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