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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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 Posted 02/26/2022  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes thx @tdz. This is a bit of a sweet spot for me.

Here is a Portuguese Dinheiro that is a little broader in its date range (1279 to 1325 AD). The obv inscription is D REX PORTVGL while the rev inscription is AL GA RR II. I have it attributed as Gomes Di06.

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 Posted 02/26/2022  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bhuvanaika Bahu I AD 1273-1283
Seated king, SRI BHU VA NI KA BA HU in Brahmi in two vertical lines in the left field / King standing, small altar in the left field, various dots and decorations in fields. Mitchiner NIS 850-852.
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 Posted 02/26/2022  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice octopus man Paul!

Here is the last coin I'll be posting for this decade: a French Gros Tournois that dates to between 1270 and 1280 AD. It was issued under the authority of Phillip III. The obv legend is something like +PHILIPVS REX and BNDICTV SIT NOD DNI hRI DEI IIV VXPI while the rev legend is + TVRONVS CIVIS. I have attributed it as Duplessy 202 and Roberts 2494. Of particular interest for me are the S letterforms, which are leaning over so far that they are almost sideways.


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 Posted 02/26/2022  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of these portraits are great. Stylised, and different to what I'm used to.

This one is also different to what I'm used to. It's from Cilician Armenia, which happens not to be Armenia at all, but the home of Armenian refugees in what is now Turkey. They were fleeing the Seljuks, who were, um, Turkish.

Levon II Kardez, 1270-1289
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Sis. Bronze, 24mm, 5.2g. Lion walking left; +Struck in the city of Sis. Simple cross; +Levon king of the Armenians (AC 390, CCA 1567).


There do seem to be varieties - some with different lions and stars around the cross - so perhaps it should be possible to date more precisely than the reign of Levon II.
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It's from Cilician Armenia, which happens not to be Armenia at all


I learned that a couple years back right here at CCF!

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Ok it has now been a couple days since our last coin was posted. Let's have a last call on coins minted in the 1270s.

@j1m, I think we only had a single coin datable to a single year for this decade so the summary should be easy (674 AH is AD 1275/1276 ). It has been almost a week since you were last here so hopefully you are staying out of harm's way.

If there are no more coins posted then let's drop back to the 1260s starting in the morning. Thx.
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1260'S......
I'll start it off with another octopus king..

Vijaya Bahu IV AD 1267/8 to 1270
Seated king, SRI VIJAYA BAHU in Brahmi in two vertical lines in the left field / King standing, small altar in the left field, various dots and decorations in fields. 20mm, 4.26 grams. Mitchiner NIS 848-849...
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@j1m, I think we only had a single coin datable to a single year for this decade so the summary should be easy (674 AH is AD 1275/1276). It has been almost a week since you were last here so hopefully you are staying out of harm's way.
It has been almost a week since I was last in this thread, because I didn't really have anything to say - the date summary wasn't really needed, and I don't have any 13th century coins that I know the dates for well enough to assign them to a specific decade.

Otherwise I'm fine so far (Moscow is very far from the frontlines), and even went to a (minor) coin fair on Sunday; I posted a picture of the Galba denarius I bought there in the Galba thread, and might end up posting some of my other purchases from there later.

EDIT: forgot to mention - 674 AH converts to June 1275-June 1276 according to one converter, and July 1275-June 1276 according to another, but either way the larger part is (barely) in 1275. 673 AH would have been ambiguous, I think.
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That is a really nice Philip III gros tournois, @Spence! And I agree about the S's, they are eye-catching on this one. I think the outer legend is the same as on my coin below.

Very interesting coin design, @Palouche!

My single coin for the 1260s is a gros tournois, and now we are down to the first ones. The denomination was introduced by Louis IX in 1266, probably as an influence of the Italian grossi that had been around for some decades. The design with double rows of inscription is perhaps inspired by the bezants/gold dinars that Louis no doubt became acquainted with during his crusade to the Holy Land. The pious Louis - also know as Saint Louis, he was canonized in 1297 - used the extra space to honor the name of the Lord. That could be seen as good timing, as in 1267 he initiated the Eighth Crusade. That didn't go well, however. The crusaders left France in 1270, reached Tunis, where soon they were hit by an epidemic of dysentery which killed many, including the king.

France 1266-70, gros tournois, Louis IX. 0.958 silver, 3.97 g, 25 mm. Duplessy 190D, Lafaurie 198C, Roberts 2451, van Hengel L10.

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Obv: Cross.
Inscription, outer: BNDICTV:SIT:NOME:DNI:nRI:DEI:IhV:XPI (Benedictum sit nomen Domini nostri Dei Ιησου Χριστου; Blessed be the name of our Lord Jesus Christ).
Inscription, inner: LVDOVICVS REX (King Louis).

Rev: Chatel Tournois and 12 fleurs-de-lys.
Inscription: TVRONVS CIVIS (City of Tours).
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Both of these are 1267-70 h-R Slavonian Denars.

Henrik Nemetajvari Ban as vassal of Bela IV,crown Prince of Hungary;Unger Sz11.

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Henrik Nemetujvari as vassal of Bela IV,Crown Prince of Hungary;Unger Sz10;Rengjeo 101-107.

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Some great coins posted today! Also, glad to hear you are doing well @j1m.

This Denar comes from the Austrian City of Bohemia and dates to 1260 to 1278 AD. It was issued by the authority of Ottokar II. The rev didn't strike up particularly well, but you can see pieces of the griffin in there. It is attributed as Cach 819 and Boah 2105.


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This Pfennig comes from the German Bishopric of Munster. It was issued under the authority of Gerhard von der Mark somewhere in the range of 1261 to 1272 AD. Most of the rev inscription is off flan, but the part that I am pretty sure about is +SAN...TOI DN". I have attributed it as Bonhoff 1657 and Ilisch XII.1.


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For the 1260s I'm back with the Golden Horde. This pul is the twin of Grinya's from the 1270s (temp. Mangu Timur, Qrim, 674AH, Lebedev M2). They are the same except this one doesn't have the border and there is no date, which means it could be dated before or after.

Pul from the time of Mengu-Timur, 1266-1282
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Qrim. Bronze, 15.7mm, 1.2g. Kyrk seriz-bir yarmak (48 to one yarmak). Mengu-Timur Tamgha, Mint of Qrim (Lebedev M3).
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Not Golden Horde, but medieval gold is always nice, right?

Here is a Byzantine Hyperpyron minted in Constantinople somewhere in the range of 1261 to 1282 AD. The pictures may not show it well, but these coins are scyphate. The pics also don't show the color well at all--improving my ability to photograph gold should be on my list of things to do! I have attributed it as BC&V 2128.


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@Spence........I think it's a nice coin! ...If it's gold shouldn't it be a golden colour?
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