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 Posted 10/05/2021  4:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cons to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All.

I am still scratching my head over this variety thing.

So for example, I have an entire roll of 2021 D nickels and the stairs on the bottom right of Monticello are blank. Does not look like a grease strike but part of the die itself.

And let us say they minted alot of these. The normal, of course, mirrors the stairs on both side.

Would there be 2 varieties of this nickel?
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Generally, a variety involves an intentional design change to the coin. In 1982, for instance, there were cents made of zinc and cents made of copper. Each would be a variety because they changed the metal composition of the coin intentionally.

Also, there were cents with a "Large Date" and cents with a "Small Date". Each of these would also be a variety because they intentionally changed the design of the date slightly.

In all, there were 7 different combinations of copper, zinc and date size issued, so 7 different varieties.

An error, on the other hand, involves a event occurring during the minting process. Sometimes this error happens to one coin only, such as with a striking error like a broadstrike. Sometimes, though it happens to many coins, such as with a Grease Filled Die or a die chip or a die crack.

Remember, they are pumping out literally thousands of coins per minute, so if one die begins to crack and leaves marks on the coins, it will happen to sometimes tens of thousands of coins before it's discovered.

They do quality control by inspecting a certain number of coins from each batch and rejecting entire batches that have errors, but that means that an error that crept into the die late in the cycle produced fewer coins and is more likely to be missed on quality control.

Your coin sounds like a type of error and not a variety as no design changes were made to the nickel in 2021. Searching OBW means you are more likely to find a series of the same error and is really cool in that sometimes you can track the development of the error through a series of the coins, kind of like when you were a kid and drew pictures on the corners of pages and then flipped them to watch them move.

Post some photos for confirmation of the nature of what you've found.


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 Posted 10/05/2021  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm OK however I always thought error coins were varieties as well. Which is why I wondered. The definition I found seemed to include all those events. I am not interested in value just definition. Thank you for such a good response HGK3 :)
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HGK3 said it all!
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To me a Variety coin can be one die that was not hubbed the way the rest of the design is hub. This would show a variety from the first strike and often to the last strike. But a filled with grease is a striking event. The die is normal, the striking was the issue. If the die was polished off on the steps, it would be a die event. Not a die variety. As the event wasn't present on the first strike.
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 Posted 10/07/2021  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you coop. I always wondered about this and so decided to ask. BTW, I was always that person in class who raised my hand and asked the seemingly dumb question. I think it is my personality type. I am (according to Enneagram personality test) the loyal skeptic.
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But when a question comes to mind, you seek the answer. The rest just live off the crumbs you gleaned about your question. Speak up and get the full answer. You probably have asked what got an answer to your question, but all the others benefit also. The best way to learn, is to ask a question. Often when questions are asked and I've already answered that question before. I try to restate it in a different logic. That way if someone missed it before, they will have the 2.0, 3.0 ETC version of something they want to know about. All learn at different levels, but the crumbs they find re-reading maybe just what they were missing from reading before. So when it doubt, ask. That way you will able to help others when I'm not here.
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My quarter cent of an opinion on "other die events". I personally tend to consider die clashes and die cracks as a variety because the issue happened to the die and the "event" was placed onto subsequent pressings until the die was removed. So like the 1882-CC die clashes or the 1982 gloriously clashed Nickel I would consider as varieties. I have several of the 1982 clashed nickel, its one of my favorites and I am total sucker for them. There are also some die cracks, especially during some 19th century classics like Shield nickels and Morgan dollars that are so prominent that I consider them to be varieties even if the mint didn't plan on those design quarks.
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Where they on the die before it struck the first coin? That would be a variety.
Year variety? That is the Close AM/Wide AM on the wrong years coinage. There from the first strike of the die.
Die events are what happen during the life of the die, after they are started to be used. These are common events. After you've been collecting a few years, you will realize that I'm correct. They are common coins to find. So don't make the mistake I made. Putting a one cent value coin into a 5 cent 2X2. I've wasted a of money doing this. Thus store them in tubes. Later when you pass away, the family will have the job of getting rid of coin collection. Into a coin star they will go. All the gems you collected/bought for a premium. In to the green machine they will go, and someone else will find them the next time around.
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