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OK, Here's the second Morgan of the day. Neither of them are in the plastic cases, so hopefully you can see the bad stuff. This one is nice and shiny, but it doesn't show that in my pics. Not the right lighting. There are some kind of skip marks on the face and just outside the face. It sure doesn't have the wear like the 93 I just put on. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the grade of this one. Thanks, Alice Image:  MVC-036S.jpg30.38 KB Image: MVC-037S.jpg41.03 KB Image: MVC-038S.jpg42.26 KB Image: MVC-039S.jpg41.6 KB Image: MVC-032S.jpg30.24 KB Image: MVC-034S.jpg48.02 KB Image: MVC-033S.jpg53.13 KB Image: MVC-035S.jpg47.36 KB |
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Doh. I'm not having my most attentive day.  Edited by SsuperDdave
04/01/2006 7:03 pm
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Hi Alliegirl
Nice coin !!
although I think it is a philly mint coin !! ,, I see the coin as an AU-50 ,, I'm notorious for overgrading these coins, but I'm working on it !!
Hopefully Fred will come along and straighten me out as usual !!
Rick
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04/01/2006 7:01 pm
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Gee Dave, you don't have to be super everyday. It is the weekend, so just relax and enjoy it! Thanks for looking Rick. AU50 sounds sweet to me. It really is a pretty Morgan. Uncle had most of them in plastic cases, so they were protected from the elements. Thanks again for you very respected opinion. Allie
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Actually, Rick, I think you're right on: AU-50; the wear on the hair gives it away. It might even go up to AU53, but those marks on the obverse might keep it down. Alice, those are Reed Marks on Liberty's jaw, caused by the reeds around the edge of one coin rubbing against another coin. They're a variety of bag marks, fairly common among Morgans which have been in bags, especially bags which have been moved a lot and maybe bounced around a bit. They're a pox on Morgan collectors who are looking for the highest possible affordable grade because most Morgans have been bagged, usually at the time they are minted, resulting in marks which keep the grades down. Few Morgan escaped bag marks. Where I'm having trouble is attributing the variety. It almost looks like a 7/8 Tail Feathers variety, but isn't quite right for the "book" 7 over 8 TF. Rick, you're much better on varieties than I am; what do you think? Fred |
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Hi Fred
Im an extreme novice with these dollar coins, and my resources are meager at best,, from looking at breens the feathers appear to be those of a normal 7 tail feather morgan,, But I would advise Alice to seek out the experts here on the forum for further opinions.
Rick
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Fred I have made a suggestion in the suggestion forum for a Morgans only area ,,if you think that would be a good Idea where all the info that is being presented for morgans could be centralised,, perhaps you could post your opinion as well.
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one thing I noticed is it looks like it has a long nock on it (like the 8Tf version),the center shaft that the feathers are attached to looks long to me and its the same length as the feathers like all of my B1 reverse coins are
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04/02/2006 01:21 am
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Looking at it further I have to say I think its a VAM-83 with the lower "8" in "18" look at how its lower than the 1 and the 7. I could be wrong but it looks exactly like my VAM-83 I have here. I will take a picture of it in a little while to show what I mean. Here are the pictures of my VAM-83 to show the low "8" and the "long nock" and you can help me with this attribution but its what it looks like to me.   Edited by Bryan1315
04/02/2006 01:40 am
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Hi Bryan isn't the long nock variety only found on the thin liberty philly coins ? VAM type I-B1 Rick Edited by Metalman
04/02/2006 01:49 am
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it is only on the Philly coins, yes but I am not sure what you mean with the "thin liberty" because I have never heard that saying before. hers is a Philadelphia coin because it has no mint mark on it. If you would explain what thin liberty means I may be able to answer the question fully. Sorry for my ignorance in never hearing that saying before Edited by Bryan1315
04/02/2006 01:49 am
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the VAM-83 like the Low"8" I am refering to is a B1 reverse that is correct
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the thin liberty has on the reverse th I of IN touching the wing ,,
If you have a breen's catalog the thin liberty is described in the 1878 7 tail feathers Breen 5509 and following.
Rick
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my VAM-83 here the "I" in "in" is not touching here is a picture of my VAM-83. I dont have a breens book but I just looked at all my B1 reverses which consists of vam-79,82,83,84 and none of them have the "I" touching the wing  Edited by Bryan1315
04/02/2006 02:02 am
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Bryan Please explain the characteristics of the Vam-83 ? what makes it a VAM ? Breen is not known for being correct on all issues ,, I would just like to check the info on the long nock and short nock varieties . It really plain to me I have got to expand my refernces on these coins !! Rick |
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I am not sure hers is a vam-83 just from the first picture I looked at it looked like it was. But look at the pictures I posted at first, the low "8" in "18" and the long nock on the reverse is what the VAM-83 consists of. I will post pictures of each VAM that the B1 reverse has. Just give me a few minutes to get the pictures together |
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