1922-P Peace Dollar. Maybe Clash Obv. N And Extended Stem Die Break

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CentR Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 07/06/2024 10:00 pm This 1922-P Peace dollar appears to have a clashed obverse N like a 1924-P VAM-1CF. Is that a clashed N? If so, does anyone know if that is something known to have happened on a 1922? I don't see it listed on VAMWorld. It also has a fortuitously positioned piece of metal that looks like a new stem is sprouting off a lower reverse stem. Is that a die break, die crack, or something else? Is it known? I don't see it on VAMWorld. Edited by CentR 07/07/2024 01:14 am Report this Post to the Staff

smat45 Pillar of the Community United States 2333 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 06:58 am Good eye on an interesting coin! She does look similar to the 24 1CF. Also looks like a clash on the reverse in between the rays above DOLLAR...maybe hair curles? Post her up on VAMWorld and see what the pros say... Maybe a new one? Thanks for sharing! smat Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8732 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 08:34 am Check out 2AV. LINK http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...22-P_VAM-2AV -makecents- Edited by -makecents- 07/07/2024 08:36 am Report this Post to the Staff
smat45 Pillar of the Community United States 2333 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 09:09 am DING DING DING! -makecents- nails it! WTG smat Report this Post to the Staff
sickpuppy78501 Pillar of the Community United States 599 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 10:30 am That extension on the branch looks artificial, like someone laid it down with a soldering iron. Report this Post to the Staff
CentR Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 5:39 pm You definitely -makescents- :). Thank you! It sure looks like VAM-2AV to me. I made an overlay in PowerPoint of this coin. All I had to do to get it registered was line up 2 points. The back of Liberty's neck with the spiked shoulder clash and a prominent obverse element with the clash that looks like an extended stem. After that all the strongest reverse clash marks lined up well with prominent obverse elements. Here's what I noticed so far. 1. Clash that Looks like an Extended Stem This appears to be a clash mark from the prominent L-shaped element outlining the front top of Liberty's bun. I'm not sure what that element is called (see images). Makes sense that the highest relief element in the area would be the most prominent clash mark in the area. I looked at another 1922 shoulder spike clash I had. It also turns out to be a dead ringer for a VAM-2AV. The second coin has the same clash on the stem too, so I'm wondering if it's just a feature of a VAM-2AV, or only on a subset? I am also wondering if this element is commonly found in clashes given how prominent the feature is and where it lands on a common clash? 2. Clash that smat45 thought might be Hair Curls As smat45 suggested, the clash on the reverse in between the rays above DOLLAR is likely the prominent hair curl at the back of Liberty's head. The C-shaped hair element that is present on several different clashed Peace dollars VAMs. A few other hair elements line up with the clash marks just below the spiked shoulder. Edited by CentR 07/07/2024 5:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8732 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 6:05 pm Very cool ! If you have an attribute that stands out, such as clashes, die cracks or extreme die scratches, always look to see if they have an "Additional Guides" link, many of the Morgan and Peace dollar years will have this and it can make much shorter work of attributing one. Because of the work others have done, this one only took me a couple of minutes to figure out. Notice the area I am referring too. LINK http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c.../1922-P_VAMs -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
livingwater Pillar of the Community United States 2215 Posts	Posted 07/07/2024 9:32 pm Now that's very cool. I have maybe 15 Peace with clashes but no letter transfer. Letter transfer clashes on Peace seem to be rare, I've been looking for one. I'm aware of 1923,1924 with letter clashes too. CentR if this is your coin and you are interested in selling it let me know. The tick of the letter transfer would need to be there but they didn't last long striking subsequent coins, soon the letter transfer was gone and the other clashes became faint until the die was either filed or replaced. Edited by livingwater 07/08/2024 07:10 am Report this Post to the Staff
idk12345678 Valued Member United States 196 Posts	Posted 07/10/2024 10:27 pm Ugly stain on reverse ruins the value the die break looks like PMD so I would say Au details stained Report this Post to the Staff
livingwater Pillar of the Community United States 2215 Posts	Posted 07/13/2024 3:16 pm If you are talking about the black spots those can reduce the value a little but does not ruin it, especially with a rare variety with letter transfer. It is a die break, not PMD. It was caused by the back of Liberty's head from the clashed dies. Look at the overlay pic above. Also, see it in pic of reverse on another coin here: http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...22-P_VAM-2AV Edited by livingwater 07/13/2024 3:46 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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