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Nice addition, Bacchus2! 
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Very interesting coin! I think that is the first picciolo that's been posted in the thread. When most of Italy moved to a currency based on the scudo in the early 1500s, this denomination (1/240 of a lira) was abandoned, and the quattrino became the smallest denomination. And concenrning Sixtus' architrectural accomplishments, it took me quite a while to realize that the name "Sistine" for that famous chapel just means "of Sixtus." I recognize those arms of the della Rovere family (it's an oak tree) from a non-papal coin in my collection. Sixtus IV was born Francesco della Rovere. As a pope he of course did not have children, but his nephew became the Duke of Urbino in 1508, and his descendants ruled this important principality until 1625. Here is the obverse of an Urbino coin with that same coat of arms (giulio of Guidobaldo II della Rovere 1538-1574): 
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Nice addition, tdziemia! 
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nice coin tdz - love the inter-woven tree limbs.
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Let's go back to Bacchus' coin. He seems to have a knack for obtaining coins that require some research (not a bad thing ... that's how we learn!). I can find two types that look like this coin, but neither quite matching: This one from the Papal State of Ancona, with reverse legend S PETRVS MARCHI https://en.numista.com/421441 And this one from Rome, with reverse legend S PETRVS ALMARO (for Alma Roma) https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10799338Bacchus' coin has SANCTVS PETRV legible, but some spaces that can't be read.
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Thanks for all the comments - that's a very crisp giulio of Guidobaldo II della Rovere 1538-1574. the oak tree really pops out!.
I had looked at this coin and the obverse is fairly clear - SIXTVS.PP .IIII. The coin is quite dark in hand so this image is brightened quite a bit.
The reverse is a bit of a mystery - I saw it wasn't the same as the numista coin but had put it down as a variant which do seem to abound for these coins.
.SANCTVS is clear, then what seems to be an annulet or decoration at about 5' o'clock. Then I thought S+ PETRVS with whatever that S stood for - unlikely to be SANCTVS again - unless the engraver was having an off-day.
PETRVS is clear so that just leaves the space for 2 or 3 letters in-between, (unless they are also decoration) that look like "annulet, S +". The acsearch that tdziemia kindly linked to suggests it's all decoration.
PS - I'm afraid I may have another one that's not on Numista that I can see that I will get organised to post.
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Maybe found? This quattrino from the Viterbo mint matches the reverse legend, including the bits that fill the space around 5-7:00: https://en.numista.com/190426Picciolo and quattrino would be difficult to tell apart, the former being a bit smaller, but probably the size ranges overlap. Both are very low grade billon.
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Quote: Another Pope ticked off the list. Sixtus IV ND (1471-1484) 1 Denier / 1 Picciolo Fantastic! 
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Quote: Here is the obverse of an Urbino coin with that same coat of arms (giulio of Guidobaldo II della Rovere 1538-1574): Very nice! 
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Thanks you very much tdziemia - I think you've got it. The Viterbo mint example has the right legend and image - though the Numista example seems to have a full length image of St Peter while the above example is 3/4 length. So - possibly one of those ubiquitous "variants"
Nice to get an example from a different mint too.
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Another Pope that I didn't have - Paul II (1464-1471) Obverse:. PAVLVS PAPA II Crossed Keys atop coat of arms Reverse: ANNA * * ROMA Ironically this one does have the full length figure of St Peter standing with book and key. (re. reverse of the coin above) I can't seem to find it on Numista  
Edited by Bacchus2 03/09/2026 04:18 am
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nice coin Bacc! - if you cannot find it, maybe you could submit it to get added. 
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Quote: Another Pope that I didn't have - Paul II (1464-1471) Excellent! 
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Nice coin, Bacchus2. 
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Quote: Nice to get an example from a different mint too. Viterbo coins aren't "rare as hen's teeth" but aren't terribly common ether, so I think that's a great Add! Quote: I can't seem to find it on Numista I'll see what I can find. ALMA ROMA definitely means Rome mint, so at least that's clear. Have you been bitten by the OFER (One From Every Reign) bug, or just coincidence?
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