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Unusual Mint? 40 Nummi, Heraclius

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This is definitely Heraclius follis, however all the sources indicate Cyzicus mint, which is obviously different. Any ideas?

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 Posted 08/10/2025  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sam, any chance that you can post a new picture that has a nice crisp focus on it? Also, while the mint isn't on the obv, please add a picture of this other side of the coin as well. Thx!
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 Posted 08/13/2025  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamVimes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Spence here they are, I hope they look better

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If you haven't looked at it already, the Catalogue of the Byzantine Coins in the Dumbarton Oaks Collection is available online. Here is a link to volume 2. Might help...might not.


https://archive.org/details/docoins...ins_2-1_WEB/
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Do we see ISA down near the rim (possibly for Isaura)?
Except I can't find a one-bust folliw from this mint.
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@tdz, yes that does look a bit like those letters. However, for the Folles of Heraclius, I'm only seeing facing busts on the obv. I'm pretty sure that @sam got the attribution right (Sear BCV #839). My best guess is we are seeing a bit of lettering from the previously-struck coin that was used as the flan for this coin. On the right side of the reverse, there are some curved lines which are also "extra" compared with specimens struck on new flans.
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Thanks guys! Yes, I think @Spence is right, it looks like an old coin was used as a flan. So, quite a rare find, I guess : ))
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My best guess is we are seeing a bit of lettering from the previously-struck coin that was used as the flan for this coin.
- we're looking at an overstrike here. Very common for some Byzantine types, though I'm not sure if it's common for that one.

I somewhat uncertainly read [N]VSP..., which is probably part of the titles - perhaps IVSTINIANVS [or IVSTINVS] PP AVG (I checked the emperors between Justin II and Heraclius on Wildwinds and none of them look like they match, so it's probably Justin II or earlier).
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From my 1974 edition of Sear:


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This type is often found overstruck on folles of Phocas, and sometimes on those of earlier reigns.


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