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 Posted 08/04/2010  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dumprat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, thanks for all the help. I guess I will be labeling it as the infamous..."Double Date"

Hope to find another interesting coin to share.
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 Posted 08/04/2010  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just leave it on the back burner.. sometimes it's just that way, not enough info to truely nail it down.it's always great to re-pick you own stuff too! when you learn more and new info is out you can finally get a handle on it!
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 Posted 08/05/2010  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not impressed VAM experts.....In fact I am rather disappointed.

Dumprat (or can I just call you 'rat'?) your coin is:



VAM - 60

The line in the mm is a pup as is the doubled 1. (The eye spike can be your 'secret' pup).
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08/05/2010 08:41 am
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 Posted 08/05/2010  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dumprat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know zeewool...you look to be correct. I tend to look at the ones with pics first and I just looked at that VAM on Vamworld a few days ago but must of read through the description too fast. Anybody else agree with VAM-60?
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 Posted 08/06/2010  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rat, unfortunately, it seems as though I may have poisoned the water, and there will be no confirmation. (Trust me, it 'is' vam-60 anyway).

I do not expect the silence of 'my friends' to last much longer though, as they will eventually man up and allow a novice like myself to get lucky every once in a while.
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 Posted 08/07/2010  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dumprat and zeewool, sorry to take so long with an opinion, been playing with cents lately. Although the top loop shows a line within, this is not the curved arc that one would associate with a RPM. VAM 7, while having nothing to do with this coin, shows the remnents one would expect on a RPM. Dumprats picture does clearly show the partially filled lewer loop. My opinion, VAM 61.
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 Posted 08/07/2010  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MorgansRmine, I am very sorry, but the statute of limitations in this case has expired, and you are too late to voice an opinion, so yours doesn't count.






Just kidding buddy, and that would be a very good guess, except for the fact that the date doubling on the '1' is on the wrong side of the crossbars to be 61. (The Rat's coin is vam-60).


Edited to add: I am not convinced that vam-60 is RPM. I don't know 'who' made the determination based on 'what' rationale, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, the cause of the line is immaterial.
The die is the die concept is what takes precedence here.
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 Posted 08/07/2010  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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except for the fact that the date doubling on the '1' is on the wrong side of the crossbars to be 61. (The Rat's coin is vam-60).


60 and 61 use the same obverse die. As does VAM-48, which has the best pics of the doubled 1. I agree that this is likely the obverse die of dumprat's coin, but without the characteristic inside loop of the S/S, I'm mystified as to which VAM it is.

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 Posted 08/07/2010  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The information that I look at is several years old, and must be outdated then.
Nevertheless, (unless my ancient files misguide me again) the difference between 60 & 61 would lie in the mm.

The line in the 60 mm is supposedly located in the 'middle' of the upper loop.

The line(s) in the 61 are at the 'top' of the upper loop and middle of lower loop.

I really don't see the confusion here.
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 Posted 08/08/2010  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it's 1:42 am just getting into town and soon to be out of town and I am still confusede? I will look again when
I get back into town.
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