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 Posted 09/09/2010  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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We are all entitled to or theories and opinions, you base yours on science and I base mine on many years of experience with ancient coins plus the knowledge that I have gained from noted collectors and authors such as Matterley(sp)Sayles, Sear, and Van Meter to name but a few. I have seen the damage that active bronze disease can do. And the perseverative effect that a beautiful green patina can also have. They are two different effects and until it is proven to me beyond any doubt my opinion remains the same.


That's cool, I'm just explaining the science. I will add that it's true about a "protective" coating. A light covering of verdigris WILL provide "protection" to the surface in that those metallic sites are occupied and only able to react if a stronger anion comes along. Nonetheless, the verdigris is not static, it is in a constant equilibrium state and the corrosive process will continue on a micro-scale. If the coin is well protected from air, water and temperature swings, the rate will be so low that you won't see the corrosion process progress in your lifetime.
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Yes, JustCarl, I agree with your assertions about the problems of Wikipedia and the Internet at large, however, those capable of critical thinking while not necessarily expert in Chemistry and Engineering, are able to navigate the information available. medicine.

I would rather that you would have responded to my last post to point out where my statement of the processes and source of tarnish/patina versus verdigris are incorrect, rather than pointing out the limitations of information available on the web as if I am unable to discern for myself what constitutes a reliable source of information.


Kind of missing the main problem with what you are saying. "Those capable" for example. Stop and think of how many individuals on the internet are less than 15 years old? How many are less than 12? How many are way over that in age but with less than even a high school education? The internet reaches many millions of people and a real, real lot of them have very little idea of what is real and not.

And as to responding to your post, Thad has been doing that over and over and over in this and many other posts about the same thing.
If you don't believe me try using the search tab at the top and type in Thad's name, Verdigris, Acetone, coin cleaning, Green stuff or anything similar. He has gone over this subject so much I'm starting to turn green and no way to get that off.
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 Posted 09/09/2010  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to add one last, hopefully, notation. If you'll read back a few posts, you'll see where I explained what happens to Copper or Copper mistured wires and cables used for Grounding systems. If not properly covered with lesser or non corrosive coverings, they completely dissentigrate. Salts and acids of all kinds in and on the ground attack those grounding systems and distroy them. Copper and Copper mistures are always used due to their great conductivity but unfortunately they react with so many other elements, their effectiveness is short lived unless properly protected.
Naturally coins are not normally kept in or on the ground but the end results are similar. Your breath, nasal drippings, your finger oils and acids, coin carrying pouches and on and on with everything possible to ruin a coin.
Which is why the Mint workers everywhere have a life time job.
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Thanks BadThad! I appreciate your taking the time to explain the process. As I said earlier, I think the various terms which I had never really sorted out with chemistry in mind created my confusion. I think I like the term corrosion best. Verdigris doesn't fit silver tarnish too well as it isn't green though I have a 1772 Ecu with verdigris on the edge that I have to attend to. The green color represents corrosion with copper atoms, the grey/black color represents corrosion with silver atoms and that I can understand. You also explained the stabilizing effect of "patination" well enough too. Thanks again.
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You're right JustCarl...I did miss that piece of your commentary and personalized it instead...and regarding your "green" problem...may I recommend www.verdigone.com?...thanks to you also JC for your patience and I get what you're saying about the better part of our population...though we went through this in derivative fashion first with radio and then with television; now with the internet...
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No problem, I love talking about corrosion....even though I do it at work everyday too. I find it an interesting topic, yes, I'm a science geek! LOL
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