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 Posted 01/02/2011  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, please do.... It looks pretty nondescript (Plain Jane) to me.
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 Posted 01/02/2011  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK. This isn't knowledge one would expect of a beginner, but with 1878-S's we need first to know about two things: The 4th right star on the obverse, and the "r" in "trust." Bryan's example has a broken star, but not a broken "r." That narrows it down, sorta. VAMworld has the 1878-S varieties broken down by those variations - nothing broken, one or the other broken, both broken.

Realizing how generic his pics looked, Bryan posted a closeup with a "smoking gun" feature - the wildly doubled "D" in "DOLLAR." That further narrows it.
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 Posted 01/02/2011  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there is also another attribute on the Obverse that is the real smoking gun on this VAM and its sub-variety that is on 2 major lists (this was meant to be a clue)

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Bryan posted a closeup with a "smoking gun" feature - the wildly doubled "D" in "DOLLAR.
Yeah I was going to save that one for later but noticed it didn't show up well in the full reverse photo so thought it may help someone join in on the discussion a little
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 Posted 01/02/2011  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to try and get some sleep tonight because I have to take my daughter to the doctor tomorrow so if no one see's the Obverse die marker I was referring to I will post a close up of it
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 Posted 01/02/2011  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've already attributed it, Bryan - I just wanted to let others chime in if they will.
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 Posted 01/03/2011  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
S set left and Broken B on the obverse? haven't looked anything up yet,
ohhh the O in God looks open too..
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 Posted 01/03/2011  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking number 3, not VAM 3
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 Posted 01/03/2011  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "D" narrows it down to only a couple of numbers,and a certain feature visible in Bryan's obverse photo makes it obvious.

Of the "Broken star, unbroken 'r'" types, only VAM-1D and 17 appear to have that doubled "D."

Now, have a look at the hair.
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 Posted 01/03/2011  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I missed the double D,,
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 Posted 01/03/2011  02:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yep, the hair is the detail I was talking about on the Obverse that is a dead giveaway of this VAM and its sub-varieties. here is a picture of a closeup of the over polishing in the hair

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I missed the double D,,

WOW! how in the world did you do that? its in a post right under the first pictures
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 Posted 01/03/2011  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I didn't mean to bring this thread to its knees and stop all activity
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 Posted 01/03/2011  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vam Addict to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I've been in & out and not enough time to reply until now,


I think Super Dave got it already,

'''Of the "Broken star, unbroken 'r'" types, only VAM-1D and 17 appear to have that doubled "D."

Now, have a look at the hair.'''


it is obviously a vam-17, and Dave pretty much gave the answer, he gave the 'what & why', I would say Dave won this one.
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 Posted 01/03/2011  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes, SuperDave did attribute it correctly, I just thought someone else already had one ready to post when this one was finished. I may have gotten a little impatient because I hope to be able to join in on the next one or two. If SD posts one of his 1921's I know I will have to do as much research as everyone else to figure out what VAM it is
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 Posted 01/03/2011  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at the 1D and 17 series, The DD looks like the broken D for 78P
but I did not see any polishing within the bow on site, as your pictures show, or the broken cap band or over polished nose your picture shows but neither seen on the 17 or 1D..but the 78-s pictures are very spot specific and don't include much surrounding area. not many overall coin pic's either.I do think do to the over polished hair its 17
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 Posted 01/03/2011  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know you won't believe this, but I actually knew that one.... just as soon as I saw the faint hair.... (It opens an old wound).
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