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 Posted 01/18/2011  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This all happened in 1878, Sunny. Much like you described it. Except the Denver Mint, which only happened for one year in 1921.

You are over-the-top, fixated on this stuff, and it warms my heart to know it.

Search this forum. Read stuff. Don't stop asking fresh questions - never stop doing that - the worst you can do is cause us to revisit topics for people who weren't here the last time we talked about it, and that's a definite virtue - but much of what you ask has been covered. If you ask questions and wait for answers, you may wait longer than if you just read for yourself.

We bounce around here. We go off on tangents. Some of (OK, *most of*) your answers are in threads you don't think relate, as are the answers to questions you didn't know to ask yet.

This is a fun place to be.
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 Posted 01/18/2011  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunny in NC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
new thought along the die break theme.( BTW if anyone thinks these should be moved, feel free.
problems in 1887:
first, there were over 25 million coins minted that year, more then all other years almost combined. They added the mint in New Orleans into this for the first time too. so now we have P, O, CC, S and D all turn and burn with the Morgans.
and lets add a little competition in the work place. who's gonna get the design? the newly imported Morgan, or the rooster of US coin design, Barber, had his son working on one. Without much more than a glance or two, Morgan, the teachers obvious pet, got the nod.
In fact, the Boss, Lindeman, wrote in several letters he thought Barber lacked talent. Ya think that didn't get around? LOL.
Now I, as well as many of you have seen when the favorite son doesn't get the nod, weird things can happen. Unhappy, insulted workers, and there is more than one letter written in a jump over of rank By Morgan that suggests trouble in Mint city.

the final design was official on Feb.21, the order was given to roll the press,( so to speak), Feb.28 with the first proof handed over on mar.7th. My guess is things went 24/7 for a while.
So, they have all these dies to make and ship all over the country, plus several changes were made on the reverse, all the dies were made in Philly because, the chief die maker( forget the name), didn't think the other mints could handle it. So all dies, and new dies, and changes, and hubs were all made in Philly, while in April, instructions were sent to the machine shops at the other mints.
It takes a while to get the meatloaf to come out right. a-ham. a few tries over the rest of 87 and the beginning of 88 befor all the HUB bub ( ha ha), seems to have settled down.
So many dies, so little time. Half the work force in Philly was was mad at the other half.Overworked, tired,angry, irritated men ...I can almost smell the testosterone from here. It's no wonder the dies broke so fast.
There's more, but it would require me to get into politics and congress, both make me want to puke right now.
I realize much of my history paper is supposition, but it's based in facts we know from letters written by both Lindman, and Morgan, as well as a couple newspaper articles, and info from the Red Book of Morgans.Also, a really OLD set of encyclopedia Britannica that I had to get up in the attic and hunt for. .. never mind. It's not to be taken as gospel, but perhaps rather obvious reason for such a mess with the 1887 dies.
please, correct and fire at will!
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 Posted 01/18/2011  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunny in NC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am dyslexic, with numbers, I have to watch. I flip them all the time. nuts! LOL
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 Posted 01/18/2011  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunny in NC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh I am reading, but when I try and search, well, search for something on here and see what happens. LOL. maybe when I find things like terms and stuff, or old info good for new folks, I should give it a bump?
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 Posted 01/18/2011  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 01/18/2011  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Easy Now, it is NOT always what you say, but HOW you say it.......Nice narrative, do you write for a living? LOL.LOL....
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 Posted 01/18/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok Dad here's some close ups..

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 Posted 01/19/2011  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any Ideas? Mike?
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 Posted 01/19/2011  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunny in NC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks, I try to write for a living. I'll have to get back to ya! LOL. I can't believe I flipped those numbers, and didn't catch it. GRR. I'm on the VAM site reading the tutorials for the next year and a half I would think. LOL. no, I'm just brain dead tonight and much of today.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Far date, O tilted left, High 4 , pitting on reverse, can NOT tell if the mint mark is an o/o, my opinion, VAM 7A......
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 Posted 01/19/2011  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not 7A or 7...keep trying!
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 Posted 01/19/2011  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More clues in a minute
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 Posted 01/19/2011  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clashed N and S...no doubled O
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 Posted 01/19/2011  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With those pup's it would appear some of these pup's are LDS, 37A.......
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 Posted 01/20/2011  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you are a few off...the SECONDARY attributions facts are the minor details are the determining FACTOR....Remeber, in thinking of vams...one (new commers) expect a simple I see this or that and "BAM"
I got it "all figured out".....
THIS POINT of VAM-IT is to show..that many times. a the date placement,
or the mint mark placement left or right....shows the many possible vams...YET there are clues within these boundaries that point due to secondary points that are not within the main points....
IN THIS CASE....this is a CLEAR secondary point.....

VAM_itwhich confirms its identy....
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