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I am not suggesting that pressure adjustments are the more likely cause of flatter strikes. There are all kinds of possibilities to explain flat strikes. This is just one of them. I am only suggesting that some of the more flatly struck coins COULD be from reduced pressure in an attempt to extend die life.
Yes, this observation is based on studying certain series. Did not mean to de-rail the main point of this thread however.
By the way, I will offer this to the lurkers and/or folks new to Vamming. You get a whole different perspective of the study of VAMs (dies) by lining up multiple examples of the same die marriage and looking at them side-by-side.
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12/31/2010 11:07 am
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You get a whole different perspective of the study of VAMs (dies) by lining up multiple examples of the same die marriage and looking at them side-by-side. Yes, I can quite imagine that.... I would think that is where another plateau of fun begins, and the mind goes into overdrive...  |
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That is an interesting thought,  Very logical assumption... not to disagree, Rather wondering if the dies remained in the presses over night so any change of pressure would be matched with the same die's or? if taken in every night would they find the exact machine again?  |
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You are asking a question I am ill-equipped to answer. I will not swear to this, but I THINK I have been told that the dies were removed from the presses at the end of the work day and stored overnight in a vault.
If that is the case, then they would not have been left in the presses overnight.
However, if you have the same shifts returning the next day, it would seem plausible that they would retreive the same die pair from the vault and likely even install them back into the previous days press. However, they could also end up in a different press, or the dies themselves separated and married with different dies.
All speculation my Dear Watson.
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I do believe they had an IQ higher than 3, and that there was some form of accounting system.... |
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if taken in every night would they find the exact machine again? You are impressing me Gene.... I think that it was SOP to turn in dies at the end of the day (for accountability purposes).... However, we do not know that individual press operators were not assigned to specific presses, and to specific die pairs as well.... It would fall in line with my perception of heightened accountability for that to occur.... So, I think that yes, the dies were taken out of the press at the end of each day, and yes, they probably went right back into the same press that they came out of the previous day, and yes, the same dies were used by the same press operator til removal for polishing or retirement..... I don't know this to be true, but it seems logical to me. Maybe something a bit more in the realm of wear to certain press parts could be to blame? |
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Maybe something a bit more in the realm of wear to certain press parts could be to blame? An interesting thought. The mechanical design of the time certainly exceeded the metallurgy in terms of quality; the 19th century is full of inspired designs which were not producible for the limitations of the metals available. A "sacrificial" part in a machine might be a reasonable design compromise, in order to preserve more complex parts. |
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I do believe they had an IQ higher than 3 Got proof of that?  What if there were just obverse and reverse buckets that the workers threw the dies in at the end of the day? |
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Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of normal wear.... As moving parts first incur a fault, the direction toward inserviceability rarely changes without replacement..... something like a setscrew tightened against a die flat, that (wears with repeated daily tightening) might ride downward ever so slightly with successive striking? Or maybe a wearing triangle or toggle joint component? Yeah, I could imagine that sorta stuff I guess.
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What if there were just obverse and reverse buckets that the workers threw the dies in at the end of the day? Then the Chinese would probably not bother remaking these coins due to the overwhelming amount of indigenous unauthorized strikes/counterfeits. What if banks didn't lock their doors at night? It is an unfathomable notion in my opinion.... I agree, I.Q.s were in all likelihood higher than 3. |
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I know what this VAM is, but I am going to stay out of these teaching threads because I am not good at explaining the whole steps to get to where you need to be to attribute. Now if you want attribution I can tell you what it is, but I am definitely no teacher unless I am face to face and can show you. Twohawks seems to be allot better than I am and its actually the process I use, I look for key features (like broken star,broken r,doubling, engraved wing feather) and once you find those you can eliminate the ones that do not have those features, then just narrow it down further by elimination of the ones that do have these key features |
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No Bryan, my fault totally....  you go right ahead now.... I am the one who is muddying the waters with stuff that nobody else is interested in... I will drop out and let the thread get back on course...  |
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What if there were just obverse and reverse buckets that the workers threw the dies in at the end of the day? Then the Chinese would probably not bother remaking these coins due to the overwhelming amount of indigenous unauthorized strikes/counterfeits.  I meant behind locked doors after they had checked in with Mr. Head Press Man at the end of their shifts, of course. One die, check.. two dies, check.. into the buckets right there, thanks, see you at the pub.. |
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Is there an 181 reed count?
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OK so for now we have determined, its an 1878-s, with an O
BV broken 4th star, and the REV broken R....Any thing else..what is the rev type?...and any other interesting observances?
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