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I think this might be the real deal.
I found what I think is a genuine major rotated die error at a local bank. It is a 1983-S proof half dollar which someone apparently broke out of a set and deposited. It has minor scuffs and rub with lots of original proof surface and slight cameo remaining. Weight is perfect at 11.1 grams, it has the proper "ring" when dropped onto a hard surface or tapped with a pencil, and there is no sign of a seam along either rim. I see that Heritage has sold two 1984-S halves with similar 90° rotation. Both were certified as PR-66 DCAM by PCGS (these may have been the same coin). Therefore, it is at least possible that genuine proofs with rotated dies may have been produced in 1983.
I'm planning to submit this coin to a grading service to verify whether it is genuine. I'll post photos when I have a chance (although you can't really prove die rotation from photos!).
Thoughts?
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I'll post photos when I have a chance (although you can't really prove die rotation from photos!). Hold a mirror up to the back of it when you photograph it. |
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Very cool! Yes, submit it for authentication. I have a 100 degree rotated reverse Morgan that several dealers told me is fake. I weighed it, confirmed, and submitted. It's now in a PCGS VF35 holder.
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(although you can't really prove die rotation from photos!). Why not? Put the coin in a cardboard 2x2 snd use three staples ..... then when you flip to shoot the reverse side the staple locations don't change and the exact amount of rotation can be seen.  David |
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I wouldn't send it in for slabbing. Even with the rotation, a mis-handled 1983-S proof half would not be worth the cost of the slabbing.
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OK, here are some photos. I couldn't get both the obverse and reverse in focus for the mirror shot but the image is clear enough to show the rotation. It's rotated just about exactly 90° in the counter-clockwise (CCW) direction. Thanks for the suggestion Southern Yankee! Quote:
Even with the rotation, a mis-handled 1983-S proof half would not be worth the cost of the slabbing. I haven't found any sales record for an impaired, rotated Kennedy half proof but the examples of the 1984-S coins both sold for over $400. Since a PR-66DCAM 1984-S half is probably worth less than $10 without a rotation, the error itself is what drives the price. I think this coin, if genuine, would be well worth the grading fee. The TPG authentication would be mandatory to confirm it is an error rather than an alteration.    |
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Send it in. If authentic, you will be suprised what it can sell for.
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My local dealer said he would charge about $80 to submit this coin to PCGS. Apparently their fees for error coins are excessive, so I'm going with ANACS for about half the cost. I checked the ANACS census and they have certified one 1983-S half with a rotated die, in PR-60 grade. Maybe my scuffed coin is a twin to that one!
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PCGS now charges $50 for mint errors. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I send all my errors now to ANACS. In fact, I will be sending all my coins there pretty soon.
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ANACS posted grades for my submission and they say this coin is "Proof Rotated Dies" with a 62 numerical grade. Their population report showed one other rotated die coin certified for this date, at a 60 grade. That makes mine a pop-top; not bad for a roll find!
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That's good news! Amazing that not only would someone pop a proof and dump it, but also not realize it is a rotated die!
I'm a little surprised at 62 though.
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Good choice by the way using anacs.
62 is dead on I would say. Highest you can get before BU
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I'm VERY surprised at the PF-62 grade, unless that is a details grade. I'd have called it a PF-55. I'd call it a PF-58 if the bagging wasn't so bad. The coin shows some rub so I think it has to be less than a 60.
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I'm VERY surprised at the PF-62 grade, unless that is a details grade. I'd have called it a PF-55. I'd call it a PF-58 if the bagging wasn't so bad. The coin shows some rub so I think it has to be less than a 60.  ...very shocked it got a 62 grade. Nonetheless...  |
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Grading being subjective as it is this coin could fall between pf-58 and pf-62. This is a nice coin for your collection. |
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