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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: If the pace keeps up, governments won't be able to produce bullion, and the American Dollar will implode. And if those are the options, then I would rather see the price of silver calm down, no matter ho much silver I may own or how much money it could make. - Darth Anarchus I'm not sure what this means. The US government, for example, does not now produce any bullion, nor do they have any great hoard laying around from which they can produce the ASEs and AGEs. When they want to make coins, they have to buy PMs from the bullion banks. If there is a shortage at that time, then their purchase is delayed and so is their coin production. Since the US dollar is not now backed by silver or gold, it is now considered to be backed only by the productivity of the US economy and the government's ability to tax that production. Rising PM prices do not have an effect on the US dollar, rather it is the falling dollar that is putting upward price pressure on the PMs.
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That is smart advice on the ETF's Ed via massive investigation. If I ever invest in something like that I shall indeed, amd it would be way down the road. For now I am just sticking with the physical stuff....
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Quote: Quick reality check on inflation -- it is NOT tracking the price of Gold or Silver: - Fenton I don't see how one can include the term "reality" with a reference to inflation figures based on the US government and Fed numbers. Both of these entities are know to flat out lie about the rate of inflation present in the US. If they see more inflation than their models call for, they simply change their method of calculating inflation until it matches their desired rate. If they were to calculate the CPI in the SAME way that they did in the 1970s, for example, the current rate of inflation would be in the area of 9% and not the piddly 1.5-2% range that their fudged methodology produces. check the following for additional info: http://allfinancialmatters.com/2010...lation-rate/http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f...625216/postshttp://www.shadowstats.com/For some real insights into the true level US inflation rate, look no further than the value of the US dollar. The dollar is tied directly to the rate of inflation because massive over-printing of dollars is the primary cause of our inflation. We see this in the prices of the PMs but also in oil, coal, gas, cotton, sugar, wheat, corn, etc. All are priced in declining US dollars and all are up significantly. The government and the Fed have a history of ignoring things that are inflating while concentrating on the things that are not. This saves them beaucoup money on entitlement COLAs and makes their programs and them look better and more effective than they really are.
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Quote:Good stuff Ed, you cleaned them out of ASE's lol.... - Silverhawk LOL! I wish!  Quote: And as far as the flux in silver price today, I know watching minute to minute is pointless and probably would drive one insane, esp for us with longer term plans, but the fact it was 2 cents away from 50, and fell as low as 44 today 12 hours later, makes me scratch my head as well. Six bucks swing seems like a whole lot for silver in one day, something fishy is going on.... Yes, that does seem like a lot of price drop for a single day and especially one where there wasn't a whole lot of big financial news going on. The dollar gained a bit of strength but not nearly enough to account for this. Not sure what this means.  Quote: That is smart advice on the ETF's Ed via massive investigation. If I ever invest in something like that I shall indeed, amd it would be way down the road. For now I am just sticking with the physical stuff.... Thanks, Silverhawk. I may be a novice at collecting coins but I've been at the investing game for over 30 years, so have a reasonably good handle on that. I'm thinking that my investing experience will come in handy while investing in PMs in various ways. 
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Yes Ed, and it was just not a drop to 44, but a gain back to 47, and then a fall back to 45 (some pretty odd price flux in a very short period of time, like silver changing a dollar in price either way in a matter of a minute or two), and seems to be planing out for a bit around 46 today....
I think Ayejay1974 called it earlier, there was some profit taking and some silver shares or bullion sold in big numbers, but perhaps it held around 45 thanks to the bull head stubborn folk like ourselves who refuse to sell any time soon....
Edited by Silverhawk74 04/27/2011 03:10 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Seems like Good move to me Bryan1315, as holding on to them seems like nothing to loose, but if you sell at say 46 or so now, and say silver does hit 100 an oz by years end, then you would be kicking yourself on that one I would think.... Well I had a system in place where I was buying and would keep everything until it was double what I paid for it, this is the only time I broke my system and only because of this email. I would have been happy to double my money just as I have done all through out this run up in price from $7.50 an ounce on up. I just figured what the heck, if it goes up I can always sell before it gets back down under the price its at right now and still revert back to the system I had in place. It is just I have never seen a company as big as AMPEX pay over spot so it caught my attention to where I figured I would hold onto it just to see what it does
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Hopefully it will hold up there above 45 for a few more days.
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I Strongly believe the sell off was a timing issue. Hedge funds, etfs, etc were selling. We are near the end of the first quarter, have to get some profits to show on the quarterly statement. A "Consolidation", if you will. We will see where it goes today on the NYSE. But so far, it looks like 45 is the new resistance point, Which is much higher than the last point of resistance. I Believe that was $40.
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Pillar of the Community
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Anyone tracking the spot price right now. If the FED conference and announcement is any correlation to the PM price.... then we are in for a run on silver ($50 is just a blink of an eye)... $2.50/oz increase w/in 2hrs. APMEX saw this coming!!
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Yes gold just broke 1530 and silver is up to like 48 and some change. I predicted 50 dollars by Wed, and thought it was an impossibility after the recent drop to 44, but if it can fall that fast, it can rise as fast as well it seems....
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Yes gold just broke 1530 and silver is up to like 48 and some change. I predicted 50 dollars by Wed, and thought it was an impossibility after the recent drop to 44, but if it can fall that fast, it can rise as fast as well it seems.... Gold will hit $1600 and silver will hit $50 soon enough. Getting hung up on day-to-day fluctuations is easy to do.  In the long run it's good to own some PMs. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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EdB- You're right about some investors holding physical silver and ETFs (and silver mining stock, futures, etc). My point is that for those who want hard metal in their grubby little hands, "we'll delivery next month" just won't cut it. I've seen people pay ridiculous premiums for ASE when they could wait a month and get them at the regular price. The dealer's job is to fill the orders, not try to educate the world.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I think Ayejay1974 called it earlier, there was some profit taking and some silver shares or bullion sold in big numbers, but perhaps it held around 45 thanks to the bull head stubborn folk like ourselves who refuse to sell any time soon.... - Silverhawk
A "Consolidation", if you will. We will see where it goes today on the NYSE. But so far, it looks like 45 is the new resistance point, Which is much higher than the last point of resistance. I Believe that was $40. - Ayejay
 with both of these posts. There does seem to be substantial price support in the $45 area for silver. Anytime there is a correction in the price of a commodity and the price bounces off of a higher low value like this, you know that the fundamentals support at least that new low price. It's good to see silver forming a new bottom at this level. Price support of this kind bodes well for silver prices to rise considerably more than they already have this year. 
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Quote:You're right about some investors holding physical silver and ETFs (and silver mining stock, futures, etc). My point is that for those who want hard metal in their grubby little hands, "we'll delivery next month" just won't cut it. I've seen people pay ridiculous premiums for ASE when they could wait a month and get them at the regular price. Understood, BiggFredd. There are times when we just gotta have it NOW! And next week or next month just does not scratch our silver itch, even if it does cost less!  Quote: The dealer's job is to fill the orders, not try to educate the world. Most dealers will take the time to do a little educating of their customers if they are regulars. Much of the time, though, the dealer is trying to make enough money to stay in business and educating the sheeple who are willing to over-spend is counter-productive to that goal. 
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Pillar of the Community
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I just noticed that I have a 2000 ASE colored, and a 1999, as well as a 1995 and now a case ms69 1990. The local Southern Bullion have about ten more of the nicer case versions, and I plan to clean them out one at a time. Some are the first strikes as well, and I believe they cost a bit more  ....
Edited by Silverhawk74 04/28/2011 12:10 am
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