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Apmex Buying Over Spot "Incredible Demand"

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 Posted 04/28/2011  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like watching the supply of Eagles go down on APMEX..earlier today there were 5061,now theyre around 3300
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 Posted 04/28/2011  03:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If they were to calculate the CPI in the SAME way that they did in the 1970s, for example, the current rate of inflation would be in the area of 9% and not the piddly 1.5-2% range that their fudged methodology produces. check the following for additional info:

You've heard of Murphy's Law, right?

Finnegan's Finegaling Factor:
The number which when added to, subtracted from, divided into or multiplied by the number you got gives you the number you wanted.
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 Posted 04/28/2011  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would have been happy to double my money just as I have done all through out this run up in price from $7.50 an ounce on up. I just figured what the heck, if it goes up I can always sell before it gets back down under the price its at right now and still revert back to the system I had in place.


The biggest problem investors (and don't kid yourself, if you buy multiples of bullion coins, you're investing, not collecting) have is no exit strategy. They watched silver climb to $50 in 1980, and held it down to $3.

A lady in our coin club had a bunch of 64 Canadian PL sets. They cost $4, and at one point dealers were selling them for $1.75 to folks who made $.16 taking them apart for face. She always said if they got back up to what she paid, she'd sell them. They did, and then she decided she'd like to make "a little profit for holding them so long."

We offered market price during the 1980 run up, but she saw ag going up, and held out for the peak.

I'll bet her son still has them.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You've heard of Murphy's Law, right?

Finnegan's Finegaling Factor:
The number which when added to, subtracted from, divided into or multiplied by the number you got gives you the number you wanted.

Oh, yeah, that does seem to pretty well sum up the Fed's method for calculating the rate of US inflation. By the time they actually admit that there is 5% inflation, the rest of us will be FEELING 15%.


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The biggest problem investors (and don't kid yourself, if you buy multiples of bullion coins, you're investing, not collecting) have is no exit strategy. They watched silver climb to $50 in 1980, and held it down to $3.

In most cases, you are probably right, BiggFredd. Some of us on here just like to buy and stack. If we can sell someday at a good price, we might do that or we might just keep them for our kids or grand kids.

I know what you mean about an exit strategy, though. I see it all the time in people who invest in stocks. Sun Microsystems was a classic example of this. Sun rocketed from under $10 a share to over $100 per share and then fell back to $5 a share when the dot com bubble popped in 2000. Anyone who bought shares in Sun Micro at <$20 a share had a wild ride. Anyone who sold over $80 or so a share made a fortune. Those who didn't lost their shirts. When one considers an exit strategy, they are really saying, "What is it that I am trying to accomplish by buying into this company?". If that goal is to make money, then one needs to "ring the register" and collect it at some point. We can either do that manually or use a stop order of some kind to do it for us. Either way, we are protected from a price crash like this.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If one is stacking for the future, and may not sell for ten to twenty, maybe even thirty years, then an exit strat is not of the fore most of concern to me anyway, esp with many ways to move product these days, options the lady with those silver sets did not have, via the Internet for one....

For example, my dad (big bass fishermen) used to use ebay, but he joined a lure club, and all the big time lure collectors buy and sell there. After being member long enough, like here you can sell there with no fees, only shipping per say. They spend 1000's and 10s of 1000's on antique vintage fishing lures, Heddon, Shakespeare and such. He built an amazing collection, some of the most impossible to find box and lure combo's 100 plus years old close to mint often. He would not sell for years, created photo album and 1600 plus members had saved it, and bugged him to sell this or that for years. He just decided to sell out not long ago, and all the lures were gone in a few days, and no telling how much that weasel pocketed on that transaction, and he still has his elite stuff, and of course will buy more, lol. Sorry for the rant, I know this is not bullion, but the product is not the point, the many ways to move a product is, and this is something that doe snot scare me, sometimes patience is required to sell an item or items, even though that can get costly as well, depending on where you sell....

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 Posted 04/29/2011  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dumped my 10% Mexican pesos. All xxx pounds of the junk. I never thought I would be able to get rid of these near melt. Smelters will not touch this stuff. People are going nuts.

I vote bubble.

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 Posted 04/29/2011  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The difference between tackle and silver bullion is your dad would have a heckuva time replacing what he sold, because it's not sitting out there in a warehouse.

If you sell 100 ASE boxes at $50 an ounce and silver drops to $20, you won't have a bit of trouble buying 100 to replace them. In fact, it's sometimes easier when prices are lower, because you have less competition.

Holding for the long term is fine, but intelligent buying and selling helps there, too.

If you bought 1000 ounces of silver in 1965, your $1300 investment grew to $50k in 1980, dropped to $3000 or so during the Clinton years, and today is worth $50k again. If you sold in 1980 and bought back in at $5, you'd now have 10,000 ounces worth a half million. That's what I mean about an exit strategy--having a logical point where you figure there's no reason for the current price to get much higher, selling, then buying back in later.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  04:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No I understand now Fredd, one has to sell eventually to make some profit, then attempt to repeat the process....

And you are right, the products I own as compared to my fathers, is much more available the coins and silver, where as the old lures like you said are nearly un-replaceable. The only time new ones turn up, it is usually from an atic or something after someone passes or garrage sell in some lucky cases....

Another great quick example, this guy bought two musky lures at estate sale (very rare larger), for 150 total. One was rough it brought the fellow 1600, so he spent 150 and made 4300, as the nicer one my dad bought for I want to say 2700. My dad just sold the one he bought for 5000, but good luck ever finding another....
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04/29/2011 04:19 am
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 Posted 04/29/2011  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just my humble opinion,

I feel there is a bubble in all this excitement in the metals
market. And I believe the rapid rise in prices reflect
the bubble.
The Bubble being the U.S. Dollar and it already popped
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 Posted 04/29/2011  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing ebay and other market globalization has done is provide access to other buyers of rare items, with corresponding top prices.

It's also shown people just how common the less rare stuff is, like there being a roll of svdb cents on ebay at any given moment.
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 Posted 04/29/2011  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No doubt, that easy access to items that were not so easily acquired before the net, has watered down the market in some areas, for lack of a better word....

In the end, I think it just separates the ultra rare items from the items that are just scarce perhaps, and not that hard to find with a little patience. Just because you can't find one example of any given item on ebay at one moment in time, does not mean there is not 50 thousand out there hoarded away, and zero are currently not for sale at the time for what ever reason....

Like for example, I have been trying to get one of those raised civil war coins that are made in 5 oz and 4.5 oz. for the right price. I have a raised one that is 1.8 oz, and it has Jackson and Lee on it as it is an anniversary coin for Lexington Virginia from 1778 to 1978. Such a neat piece, pictures does it no justice, and it is noticeably thicker and heavier than a 1 oz round, and they are not ultra rare, but not so easy to find at the drop of a hat either. Still, there are probably 1000's like it out there....
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04/29/2011 4:07 pm
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 Posted 04/29/2011  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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For example, my dad (big bass fishermen)... - Silverhawk

Heh, I like him already!


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I feel there is a bubble in all this excitement in the metals market. And I believe the rapid rise in prices reflect the bubble. The Bubble being the U.S. Dollar and it already popped

Could not agree more, Stewart. The US dollar is looking more and more like a balloon that someone inflated and then let go. It is madly darting around the room, going lower with every pass, and making a lot of phhhhhttttt! sounds.
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 Posted 06/16/2011  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The idea that APMEX is stocking up because they "know something" is a little bit out there.

APMEX is not paying an unusually high premium because they figure silver will go up. They need coins to sell, nothing more, nothing less.

If the power is out, the fact that you can have all the power you want a month from now is of no value. This is called the time utility component of the value of the product.

If the local water is contaminated, a reservoir of water 1000 miles away is of no value. This is called the place utility component of the value of the product.

Right now, there is a time utility problem. APMEX can buy all the ASE it wants at $2 over, but delivery next month is of no use if they have customers who want physicals today.

If you would call APMEX and offer to charge $100,000 to lend them 100,000 ASE immediate delivery for replacement in two months, you'd have a wire the instant they received them. It would be worth that buck a coin to have inventory for immediate shipment. I've seen that kind of deal around Christmas, when sellers need inventory for gift buyers.
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 Posted 06/16/2011  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Funny thing about that offer....

As we all know, silver took a nose dive hard form high 40's to like 33 bucks, not long after that ad. My question is, was the offer still in affect when silver hit the low 30's....

My point, APMEX had to know it was gonna drop, they surely did not buy however many ASE's and America the beautiful 5 ouncers at 3 bucks over 48 dollars for example....

I would like to see how much they bought, and what prices of the market each were sold at....
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06/16/2011 11:39 pm
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 Posted 06/17/2011  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If APMEX could accurately foretell the future, they would not be in the coin selling business but in the futures markets, where they could make Billion$.

APMEX makes money via rapid inventory turn-over, not by buying low and selling high.

Just my 2 pfennigs worth.
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