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Well, I've been buying but now I need to do some selling to cover some expenses. I agree that many places either not selling or selling at a very high premium. I am only asking for 23x face when I am selling.... I just put up some listing on the for sell/auction section today ( http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...lerId=2564). One thing I've learn through the years, as many of you have said, is that you CAN NOT buy and sell at the right time all the time.
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Quote: So, I changed tactics....I need to SELL silver to this place. His buy price was 26.xx/oz. I inquired why the $12 split between buy and sell. He said, I am in it for profit. I walked. From what you are saying, it is likely that he is waiting for a customer to come along who does not know much about silver prices so he can back out of his high priced inventory. OK, that may be a viable business strategy but I am willing to bet that he has long-time customers who do not get this same treatment. OTOH, if he treats all of his customers this way, he may not have any long-term customers. Good plan on your part to walk, though. There are plenty of places selling silver for less than he charges.
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I actually got an ATB coin for each of my kids for Christmas. With the price down and having visited all but one of the parks so far I thought it would be nice to have
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Gold is still way too rich for my blood (except for the small number of historical coins I purchased for my collection when prices dipped to around $1600 earlier this month). I have purchased a fair amount of silver in recent months, however -- mostly in the form of AU Morgan and Peace dollars, but also some 40% Eisenhowers and Bicentennial sets. The problem is that I really haven't purchased enough silver to make much of a difference in the long run. I mean, let's say I have $5000 worth of silver that I purchased at $30-40/oz. If prices some day go up to $50-60, I could double my money. But we're only talking about $10,000. Not really enough to fund my son's college tuition, retire comfortably, or even buy a new car. In order to make it worthwhile, I'd really need to buy something like $100K in silver. I'm not even sure where I'd store all that even if I had the money to buy it. And yet... I keep hearing about how we may be nearing peak silver, that silver -- unlike gold -- is an industrial metal, and that we may be looking at price ranges in the $100-1000/oz range some time in the next 5-10 years. Maybe. Possibly. If this is true, though, the $5000 of silver I have today could be worth $50,000-$100,000 in 10 years, and suddenly we're talking real money here. I'm still not prepared to mortgage the house and buy a literal ton of silver, but after talking it over with my wife I think I will continue to keep buying a little here and a little there. Maybe a few hundred dollar's worth every month or so. The only question is whether I want to keep buying coins (I am first and foremost a collector, after all) or whether I want to really buy into the whole "silver will be the new gold" mantra and just start buying either pure bullion or scrap silver coins. Obviously, bullion or scrap silver would provide the best return on investment if silver prices do skyrocket, but I just get no joy holding a lump of silver in my hand or staring at a worn, damaged coin. Looking at a prooflike Morgan, on the other hand...
Edited by barryg 10/28/2011 8:59 pm
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First off if you looking to fund your son's education what are you doing with PM's. Speculation is no way to do that at all. In fact it can be very dangerous and bit you in the rear real fast.
Buying a large amount of PM's at one time is a very large speculation and even though I have a lot of it I would never ever recommend anyone except the very wealthy take that much risky speculation on.
There is nothing wrong with being a collector with older gold coins though except for the very rare and best grades they too can be an extremely risky speculation adventure.
You will find far better success in the stock market for your goals.
Every $1.00 move in silver has an effect on me. However my silver buying has spanned 30 years and the dollar cost average (what you have to do with PM - speculation) has been very very strong.
I think it is a good speculation move to buy silver and gold but a very poor one to look for a fast buck or as a means to become very rich. In the long run I believe PM's will do well but putting money that you do not have into them is very poor money management.
I know too may people who bought the year on credit and when the market dropped are extremely worried about their losses to the point they can't sleep. I told them to buy in moderation they bet the house on a quick road to wealth and are looking so well at this point in time.
Where I made my money in PM's was the silver I bought for under $10 and the gold under $600 many years back. I hope to make money on the stuff I purchased over the past few years in 10 years or more.
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Maybe I should have made myself a bit more clear... Quote: First off if you looking to fund your son's education what are you doing with PM's. Speculation is no way to do that at all. In fact it can be very dangerous and bit you in the rear real fast. That was just an example of the type of dollar amounts involved and what I could reasonably expect in a best-case scenario. In fact, my son's college education is fully funded and I'm looking to invest some of the "extra" money we have been saving toward retirement 20+ years down the line. Quote: Buying a large amount of PM's at one time is a very large speculation and even though I have a lot of it I would never ever recommend anyone except the very wealthy take that much risky speculation on. Oh -- I agree 100%. That's why I was talking about spending a few hundred every month or so as opposed to buying $50K of silver at once. Quote: You will find far better success in the stock market for your goals. That has certainly been the conventional wisdom in the past. I'm not so sure it really holds true these days, however. I've know too many people who have had their entire retirement funds disappear overnight multiple times over the last 10 years or so to put much faith in the market right now. Quote: I think it is a good speculation move to buy silver and gold but a very poor one to look for a fast buck or as a means to become very rich. In the long run I believe PM's will do well but putting money that you do not have into them is very poor money management. Again, I agree 100% that buying PMs is a bad way to make a fast buck or become very rich. My point, though, was that if people are right about peak silver being around the corner (and I really have no idea if they are or not), then buying a significant amount of silver over the next 4-5 years may very well be a wise move after all. In hindsight (isn't it wonderful), I wish I had bought $50K of silver back when it was $4-5/oz and could sell it now for $400-500K. And if silver really does explode and hit $500/oz in 10-20 years, I'll really wish I had stockpiled it back when it was "only" $30-40/oz. The real question is simply how likely that scenario is. Quote: I know too may people who bought the year on credit and when the market dropped are extremely worried about their losses to the point they can't sleep. I told them to buy in moderation they bet the house on a quick road to wealth and are looking so well at this point in time. Again, total agreement. At most, I am talking about diverting a portion of the money we normally put into savings every month into silver. The rest would still go into savings and we wouldn't be touching any existing assets. And we're looking for profits 10-20 years down the line, so no instant road to wealth for us, that's for sure! I figure at worst, we'll end up with slightly less savings than we otherwise would have had when it comes time to retire along with a whole bunch of useless (albeit pretty) metal. At best, we'll have a really nice supplement to our retirement income (or something really nice to pass along to our son).
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 I'm not sure what I am going to do with my PM's. It was a bad habit I started when I was 18. I did not have a pot to you know what in but I bought silver and gold every payday. I just never stopped and the stuff keep growing in both amount and value. I still buy twice a month. The 410K has done well for me. Not sure if it was good management or dumb luck but I have no complaints. I never got into the collecting side. To this day I don't own a classic gold coin. Now I will admit I do have some Morgan silver dollars, well more than a few and over the past year I broke my rule and started buy BU's. Good luck on what ever you do and even my way and advice might not be the sound way, it just makes the most sense to me. Who knows maybe one day I might even spend the extra money for one of those pre 1933 gold coins.
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Quote:I actually got an ATB coin for each of my kids for Christmas. With the price down and having visited all but one of the parks so far I thought it would be nice to have. Sounds good to me... but... knowing your kids, do you think that they will keep these or cash'em in ASAP? Quote: The 410K has done well for me. Not sure if it was good management or dumb luck but I have no complaints. OTOH, it is the result that matters and that seems to be just fine. 
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I am still buying silver here and there. I was even buying it when the prices rose to $50 back in April. I am only spending about $50-$100 a month, but I don't have any short term plans so I am figuring that 20 years from now my silver will be worth at least as much as it is now, and probably a lot more valuable than the paper money I traded for it.
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I've started buying silver again yesterday and this morning. Mostly rolls of BU coins such as Kennedy and Franklin halves. Silver has dropped over $2 per ounce since yesterday morning, so I'm watching the market and every time it dips back down I buy a little more as a hedge against it going back up again in a hurry.
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Of course, I've got to be honest here... I'm really not interested in pure bullion and am simply looking for an excuse to buy some nice coins that I otherwise couldn't justify spending the money on. If I really, truly believed 100% that silver prices were going to increase dramatically in the near (or long) term, I'd be buying straight silver bullion or junk silver with as low a premium as possible instead of paying extra for AU and BU coins. But I don't, and this way if the silver price does go back down I can at least take comfort in knowing that I've got stacks of really neat coins and not just chunks of featureless metal...
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Yes and that's the reason we all buy with different intentions. Actually in the summer and spring when silcer was high just before the proofs were taken off the mint website I did buy some basically at the 'junk' price but I had proofs. It seems to me we are in very unstable times so silver and gold are good investments in my opinion. I also think nickels are worth having a few hundred dollars of just for when they are finally debased. No loss on those buy at face and if they appreciate due to all metals prices going up great, if not spend and no premium over face
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United States
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I agree barryg. While I do try to buy as close to spot as I can, I consider myself a collector as well. I found it was a lot more enjoyable collecting the 1 oz Australian Kookaburra set instead of just buying 23 more ASE's for as cheap as I could.
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Quote: I don't have any short term plans so I am figuring that 20 years from now my silver will be worth at least as much as it is now, and probably a lot more valuable than the paper money I traded for it. That would be a good assumption, IMO. A $100 bill from 1960 is still worth $100 today but $100 doesn't buy today nearly what it did back in 1960. 100 US silver dollars from 1960, however, are now worth around $2500 in paper dollars. 
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Headlines:
"Gold climbing due to optimism over Eurozone crises resolution."
"Gold climbing due to pessimism ( Safe Haven) over Eurozone crises"
"Gold Climbing due to optimism over Good numbers for US Economy".
"Gold Climging due to pessimism ( Safe Haven) over Bad numbers for US Economy."
Anyone else see a pattern? Whenever I see goldbugs and people like GATA complain about market manipulation to keep prices DOWN, I can't help but read headlines like these and look at the charts showing the parabolic rise in prices for Gold and Silver; and think "yep, there sure is market manipulation".
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