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1976 Silver Proof Error, Severe Rotated Die,?

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 Posted 09/27/2011  03:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hollow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys,

Ive had this coin for years and have always considered having it graded.
Anyone ever seen one? Any idea what it's worth?


It wont let me upload pics so here is a link (please forgive photo quality)

http://s1094.photobucket.com/albums...=coin001.jpg

Thanks in advance for any feedback!
Hollow.




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 Posted 09/27/2011  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hollow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know the photo quality is bad, but I'm surprised I haven't had a single response yet. I have hunted for hours and hours on the net looking for this error and come up empty handed every time. I was really hoping someone could help me out with even a little opinion or advice.

anyone?
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 Posted 09/27/2011  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.Give it a little time it's only been a few hours and the pros are probably still asleep . You have some cool pics in your link by the way.
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 Posted 09/27/2011  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no clue - I can't see enough in the photo to tell anything.
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Fair enough :) Thanks for the welcome and nice to meet you. I've always been drawn to the Early silver US commemorative coins. How about yourself, whats your fav?
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 Posted 09/27/2011  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hollow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I'm charging up the good camera as I type
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 Posted 09/27/2011  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Better photos, please!
Kennedy half proofs exist with rotated die errors so a rotated bicentennial quarter proof seems possible. There are however fake errors made by machinists (I have several Kennedy examples) so your coin should be examined carefully. Check the weight; machined fakes will probably be too light.

If genuine I expect it could be worth $200 or more.
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Yep, looks like a severe rotation. Looks like maybe 135 degrees. I find rotated dies to be a curiousity, but I don't feel they have a lot of value, even on proofs.
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It would be harder to fake one of these on a proof because the mirror surface would be so easy to mar. Look carefully under magnification for a seam just inside the rim on either side or around the edge.
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Take a REALLY good pic, and send to Fred Weinberg...handle it VERY carefully, or, value plummets.
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Thanks for the feedback folks!

When I took this coin to a dealer years ago, who was into error pieces, he also said the same thing about it being more of a curiosity piece rather than an error coin. Please help me to understand this.

A proof coin is valued for its exceptional perfection, It is checked before packing for any flaws so an error proof would be far rarer than a circulating error wouldn't it? So wouldn't those circumstances make it even rarer and more valuable of an error since the number minted is lower and the quality standards are higher?
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Rotated die errors are pretty rare on moder coins, but they're also not that popular. But I would think a proof one would have a significant premium, assuming it's real.
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Quote:
A proof coin is valued for its exceptional perfection, It is checked before packing for any flaws so an error proof would be far rarer than a circulating error wouldn't it?

Yes they are checked, but they aren't really checked that closely (Ask all the people who are constantly complaining of receiving proofs with spots and nicks.). And they might check the obv and the rev,but they aren't too likely to check the orientation between them.


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So wouldn't those circumstances make it even rarer and more valuable of an error since the number minted is lower and the quality standards are higher?

Yes, but the circulation coins with rotated dies are usually worth very little, so even if a proof is worth two or three times as much, three times very little is still pretty small. Also you have the problem of finding someone who is interested in it
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