Fake £1

This is a really interesting development

One thing that also intrigued me about this coin is the center were the hologram should be located , it looks like they put the crests for the Jersey parishes found in the Jersey £2 instead ....











Fascinating stuff ,speaking of which..is the coin magnetic ?

I know I asked that about the fake on p.8, was it magnetic?! Well now having laid my hands on a magnet, I can say the centre of mine, at least, is magnetic.

So maybe it's a non-nickel chromium steel as you suggest, NumisRob. It looks fairly similar to a sheltered surface in some cheap cutlery I have.

Hi andyg. I know you replied about the magnetism before, thanks. I meant that the centre of mine is magnetic at least, whether or not the ring is, though that probably isn't.

Sorry, I realise most of the links I gave on the last page won't work, so here they all are again:

Willings Facebook fake £2 gallery: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...014216616440
RED's 'new dies' fake £2: http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.c...S/FAKE2D.jpg
Willings' further example: https://www.facebook.com/WillingsSe...440946040432
Numista forum again: http://en.numista.com/forum/topic3796.html - see 5 March 2014
Collection Museum examples: http://www.thecollectionmuseum.com/...-your-pocket - the second example that displays.

Maybe quite a number of gangs have faked £2 down the years. In this case: http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/n...aker_jailed/ , the result may have been like the first coin displayed on the (correct) museum page. Allegedly they were crude, moulded, only melted on a kitchen stove but the right size and weight for some vending machines. In this case: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-PAINT.html , the coins were allegedly painted lead and the wrong size, but also magnetic, which seems a contradiction.

WHOA, here's proof if anyone needed it that the new 'steel-centred' fake £2 series are truly bi-metallic: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Minter-...281418222850 . Note in particular the irregular grooves in the background to the ring of cogs.

None of my fake £2's are magnetic whatsoever.
http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/OTHERS.HTML

A and B are painted, and can be stripped with a fingernail.
They both make a really dull clunk when pushed over on a table.
A has a terrible uneven (filed?) edge but the motto lettering is decent.
A and B both appear to be casts, with 'sprue' marks at 6 o'clock and 3 o'clock respectively.
Both are heavier than normal coins (13.5g and 13g)
C is heavier than it looks. To me it looks like aluminium, but is 12.2g.
The outer ring appears to be plated, due to the base metal showing through on the highpoints,
but is unable to be scraped off.
D is the most recent one I acquired, and is definitely bi-metallic.
Sounds more like a normal £2 although is a bit 'tinny'.
Reworked heads and possibly tails too (Central 'hologram' area mainly)
with a flattening of the cog details.
The motto is good, although the word 'Standing' is a full letter longer than original,
meaning the distance between the S of Giants and the S of Standing is shorter.
The pathetic attempt at a cross follows very closely after the S of Giants.


My gran has another fake £2, that I think is actual aluminium but looks chewed up quite badly.
Will have to try and nab a few pics next time I'm up there.




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I have skimmed this topic on and off, and I have always been struck by one common characteristic of your fake £1 coins. All of them look severely distressed, as if PMD. This obviously is a means of preventing clear examination of the coin.
If I was living in the UK, a red flag to me would be any severely distressed coin that looks older than its years would be one I'd reject in change and request another 'newer' looking one.
It is not as if these coins are brilliant replicas, rather too many people are willing to accept the stressed fakes so perpetuating their production.

While sorting through some fakes have encountered I came across one of my most fascinating finds from a couple of years ago .......a mule one pound coin I had previously thought was a fake(the area were the date should be is perfectly smooth and the words "ONE POUND" are almost entirely non existant and you have to hold the coin closely against some light to barely see a few of the alphabets)






All this time I have suspected the coin of it of being a fake and detained it pending further investigation ..... which I never got round to until today

Interestingly enough, I havent seen one like it on RED`s site and then I checked this historical document of a comprehensive survey of fakes found (thanks moralclimate for the link )
http://www.coin-mech.co.uk/Cataloge...nd-fakes.pdf and my check uncovered no Royal Arms fakes with no date .....at this point I double tracked and thought what if its a genuine error pound ?

I compared it to another 1993 pound coin and found that the edge motto was correct, the font was similar and the little mint mark cross was a near perfect match (suspect pound on top in image below)...





so at this point I am now on the fence ....is this pound coin a genuine mule that was struck through a Grease Filled Die & escaped quality control checks at the mint or is it an imposter/fake ?

Good questions moralclimate !

I must have been a bit ..er.... yesterday , upon closer inspection and comparing with another pound coin several things stood out ....the S is slightly slanted but by a tiny amount , the D is about the same height as a reference pound coin used but however something else also struck me .....the DECUS ET was struck more deeper into the edge on the fake mule than on a trusted pound coin.The TUTAMEN was struck slightly weaker than on pound cound coins I used for comparison.

The mint mark appeared weakly struck compared to a genuine pound but it was more or less perfect. On examining the TUTAMEN I hit paydirt ! The N is different from that of a genuine pound coin , the N appeared to be a sans serif font N . When it came to the spacings on the letters there was a extra difference of about a a 1mm or 2 between the DECUS ET on the fake mule , good thing you suggested a check of that !

I rechecked the Royal Arms fakes on RED`s site and one or two came close to the one I have but with those in RED`s site the date is still visible while with mine its completely invisible suggesting that the die had the date and D G REG FD were completely obscured on the die by something or did not exist at all . That area on the fake mule feels completely smooth. On RED`s site the Royal arms fakes also had some weak strikes on part of the words ONE POUND but one mine its almost completly invisible ......which makes me wonder if any relation maybe distant....

I was intrigued by your statement that such a series exists , could you shed more light ?




this is fascinating! , I will do some checks on some Celtic cross pound coins