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Thanks for setting me straight, blargish! What can you tell me about this one?  |
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Robins II included this Wellington graded MS67BN. What is that around the edge and letters at the bottom right?   |
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mostlysilver, that is Breton 695, an anonymous token of Nova Scotia. Charlton lists it as NS-21A; I'd guess the variety to be A1 or A2 depending on whether the edge is plain or engrailed, although I am not certain of this.
yarm, that appears to be die rust.
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yarm, I went to HA to enlarge the area for a better view.  The anomaly seems to affect (infect?) the field and rim more than the legend, so without any metallurgical expertise whatsoever I'm guessing it was a rusty hub situation (or some foreign material like excess from grinding) that introduced the chewiness onto one or more working dies at the point of stamping, but prior to annealing. Just a guess. Interesting that neither Heritage nor NGC saw fit to point this out. I bet if you or I sent it in to NGC it would come back with the "details - environmental damage" tag. 
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mostlysilver, that is Breton 695, an anonymous token of Nova Scotia. Charlton lists it as NS-21A; I'd guess the variety to be A1 or A2 depending on whether the edge is plain or engrailed, although I am not certain of this. The edge is plain, blargish. Here's another one from the vault. I'm told that this is an imitation bust & harp halfpenny token. 28 mm dia., 1 mm thick, 5.1 g, and appears to be brass.  |
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Here's another one from the vault.
I'm told that this is an imitation bust & harp halfpenny token. 28 mm dia., 1 mm thick, 5.1 g, and appears to be brass. You got it. That's Courteau variety 11, or LC-60-11. A more common one but still interesting! I've always liked that series because of its simple design. |
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That's Courteau variety 11, or LC-60-11 Great to know! Let's try this one. I've found this referred to as an 1837 1 Sou Montreal bouquet token. Varieties seem to involve the number of cherry leaves on the reverse, and shamrocks on the obverse. I count 16 and 3 respectively.  |
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I've found this referred to as an 1837 1 Sou Montreal bouquet token. Varieties seem to involve the number of cherry leaves on the reverse, and shamrocks on the obverse. I count 16 and 3 respectively.
Charlton lists that variety as LC-22B. Appears to be relatively uncommon, as Courteau puts it at an R 5 out of 10 (Co 58), and Breton at an R 2 1/2 out of 5 (Br 682). It is a member of a group of bouquet sous struck c. 1836-37 in Belleville, New Jersey at the mint of John Gibbs. He also issued some Hard Times Tokens I believe. These bouquet sous were imitations of a Bank of Montreal token (Breton 713) issued in 1835. Keep em coming if you got more!  |
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I'm thinking of starting a thread in the main coin forum called "If Only It Didn't Have A Hole In It!" This would be one I would post there.  |
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Tons of coppers can be found with holes in them. I've heard them called "rafter cents". A good luck charm when putting up a building.
Couldn't find the term on google. Must be a local colloquialism.
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The closest thing I have to a "set" as far as Canadian tokens are concerned.   |
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@mostlysilver - still need the 1850, 1852, 1857 dates to make that a set. Good start.
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Well 1960NYGiants, I do have the 1850 half penny, but it's seen better days.  |
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Yet another tough Anglo-Canadian from the vault. This one is Breton 880, Davis Non-Local 65, Courteau 333NS (R-5), Withers 1415, and Charlton NS-8A1 (if it's copper, as I surmise). Charlton actually provides a pedigree for this one: "Possibly issued by Carritt and Alport of Halifax, this halfpenny token was struck by William Stephen Mossop of Dublin. The reverse is from an anonymous Irish token of 1804." [That would be Dublin D&H 375, for you Conderites out there.]One of these NGC-graded AU-50 sold in the Heritage 2018 Doug Robins sale at US $504 including buyer's fee. Another went this past July, again in a Heritage Doug Robins sale, for US $210, NGC-graded at EF-40. I haven't checked DNW and Spink yet to see what's going on in the UK market. I'm almost certain I found mine on eBay-UK maybe 15 years ago for under $30...records are sketchy, to say the least.  Judging by those two and mine, plus one currently available on ebay (BIN for CDN $900!), only the obverse had a raised rim (burr?) and beads. The reverses all seem to taper off into thin air, although I confess that's easier to ascertain with the unslabbed examples...seems odd. All but the AU have weak centers in addition to random die or strike mushiness scattered throughout the legends. I guess I'm calling mine a "VF overall" until I see a few more for comparison. Wash your hands, everybody! Tom
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