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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 440s

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about 1440-1444
1 denar
coat of arms of Hungary, Lithuania and Poland
Mint: Varna?
Wladislaus Varna (Krakow (Poland), October 31, 1424 - Varna (Bulgaria), November 10, 1444)
from 1434 to 1444 as Wladislaus III (Polish: W#322;adys#322;aw III),
King of Poland from 1440 to 1444 as Wladislaus I (Hungarian: I . Ulászló) king of Hungary.
He was the son of Wladislaus II of Poland.
He was killed at the Battle of Varna against the Ottomans.
In Varna (now in Bulgaria) is his mausoleum. In Poland, he was succeeded by his younger brother Casimir IV and Hungary came to power in the hands of the four-year-old Habsburg Ladislaus Posthumus.

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"Better late than never" comes to mind when seeing a different type/design of coin.
It is okay to post a coin a few days later than on the nominated day as long as the minting period is indicated, we want to see as much diversity as possible.

Postscript:

But the second one you posted would be better off tomorrow in the 1431-1440 decade.
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I am sorry, Med, but I don't agree with you.

My case ;-
In my world, clocks start at (imaginary) 0 not 1. When I had my 1st birthday I didn't start living, I had already been alive for a year. 1440 signalled the end of the decade of the 30's and the beginning of the decade of the 1440's, not twelve months later in 1441. To leave out the period 1440 to 1441 from the decade of the 40's would mean that the decade only had 9 years, which is not a decade. Therefore, a coin from 1440 belongs in the decade of the 40's and not the 30's.
I rest my case.
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You might not agree. But there is a very good reason that decades end with the year having the "0" in it and not with the "9". Not only basic mathematics (which I could argue easily with anyone), but also because there is no year zero. So the first ten years AD are 1 to 10 and then it goes on from there.

Btw, the 21st century started on the 1st January 2001 - ask yourself why.

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I am afraid that you didn't read my message too well.

I said "1440 signalled the end of the decade of the 30's and the beginning of the decade of the 1440's, not twelve months later in 1441.
Therefore it equals 10 years, NOT 9 years.
As far as your 'claim' that the 21st Century started on 1st January, 2001, that differs from my part of the world where the new 'Millennium. started on the 1st January, 2000 - Don't you recall the (false) fear that all computers had 'supposed the '19' and that was fine for a hundred years, but when the year changed to 20 hundred they would all 'crash' and aeroplanes would fall from the sky? That all happened on 1st January, 2000. (remember 'Y2K' not 'Y2K plus one'.)
Simple mathematics. By the time you get to be 1 year of age, you have already lived for 12 months (or one year) and the 1st birthday celebrates having passed the first year of life, not starting it. So it is with coins. A coin minted in January 1440 does not belong to the decade of the 1430's because that decade ended on 31st December 1439 and a 'new' one began on the 1st January, 1440.
So you see that (in my view) Petrus is quite correct to post his coin when he did.

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Now I am confused. So we were all wrong in celebrating the millenium in 2000?
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Seinfeld on the issue:
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Not really necessary to argue the point, in the end it is my thread.
But for your benefit: the 31st December 1440 signaled the end of the decade and the 1st January 1941 the start of the new one. That there was the so called 'Millenium Threat' at midnight 1999/2000 does not mean that the 21st century started on the 1st January 2000 in Australia.

Perhaps you give more credence to Wikipedia, let me quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century
"The 20th century was the period between January 1, 1901 and December 31, 2000, inclusive."

If you want to argue mathematics, I am quite willing to do so (I spent seven years at university studying and researching it) - but this is not the right forum for it.
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Quote:
Now I am confused. So we were all wrong in celebrating the millenium in 2000?


There was a lot of confusion - and many of the media people don't really understand how calendars (or mathematics) work.

It was celebrating the end of the nine-teen-hundreds but not the starting of the third millenium.

Just like when referring to the 'twenties': they were 1st January 1920 to 31st December 1929, while the third decade of the 20th century was 1st January 1921 to 31st December 1930.

Hope that resolves the issue now for good.
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I'm made several attempts to respond to this debate but have been having problems having it post. I'll try again. As with all debates the parties involved are not going to agree. With that in mind, while an interesting subject in which I have my own opinions this is not the place for it. The bottom line is that the person who started the thread and established the rules has the last say.
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I have made my case, and my further silence on the subject is by choice and not because I agree with all (or any part of) the 'rebuttal'.
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To put a stop behind this unfortunate intermezzo, here a coin which fits this decade:


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AR Tankah from Baber ibn Baisun ibn Shah Rukh (1449-1456), Timurids of Khorasan - cf.Mitchiner#1962

Obverse: Shiite Kalima with 12 Imans around
Reverse: Legend includes "BABER"

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1446h-c/x Hungarian denar,Gov. John Hunyadi (Tempore Iohanis).
Huszar 618,Pohl 175-5,Unger 485e,Rethy II156.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...p?album=2255.

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Charging into the 1431-1440 decade!
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(Say) 1431, Dinar, of Sigismund (last male member of the house of Luxemburg), Holy Roman Emperor of Hungary 1433 to 1437. AG 14
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