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Well I'll let others weigh in on the meaning of the king's headress on the obv and the guards and fire altar on the rev, but I do note that wikipedia has this to say about Zoroastrianism (the religion of the Sassanians): Quote:
Its basic maxims include:
Humata, Hukhta, Huvarshta, which mean: Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds.
There is only one path and that is the path of Truth.
Do the right thing because it is the right thing to do, and then all beneficial rewards will come to you also. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
Edited by Spence
05/14/2017 10:28 pm
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As this is an Arab-Sasanian piece, not a purely Sasanian piece, I don't believe it has any meaning to the Arabs and Muslims who minted it. Early Muslims minted pseudo-Byzantine, pseudo-Latin, and pseudo-Sasanian coins before introducing their own pure Islamic coins year AH 77. The reason behind those pseudo issues is probably political, so that their coinage would be accepted in trading with neighboring regions, which will get people used to Islamic coins in circulation before having the pure-Islamic issues distributed. You are correct, Spence, the coin is in fact an issue of 'Ubayd Allah Ibn Ziyad. The mint is BCRA (Al-Basra, Iraq). The date is also AH 57. Similar to these pieces: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1327967AH 57 is equivalent to 676-677 in the gregorian calender, which qualifies your coin for the 670's decade. There's a book that has a complete table of all mints and years for Arab-Sasanian issues available as an index at the end of the book. The book is in Arabic, however, the index is available in English as well, which is the most important part of course. It's called "Islamic dirham of Sasanio type" by Nasir Al-Naqshabandi. |
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I found the dates table on Wayback Machine, and the Sassanian date on this coin looks like a 20 to me.
I have no idea what AH or AD date this would correspond to, however.
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I believe the 57 is quite clear  |
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The line before the first letter is part of the design, not the text (what appears like a smudged pellet, similar to the uniform pellet on the other side), otherwise it wouldn't make sense as there is no date of that style.
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The line before the first letter is part of the design, not the text (what appears like a smudged pellet, similar to the uniform pellet on the other side), otherwise it wouldn't make sense as there is no date of that style. That explains it. I didn't know enough to realize that the line wasn't part of the text, and the table for date identification didn't go all the way to 57 (if it did I would have probably guessed correctly). |
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@mohammadaak, ok that is really great information. Thank you for not only confirming the date, but also providing such a detailed explanation.
@J1M, could you please provide a link to that Wayback Machine website?
All, we are ready to move back a decade. Please post your coins from the 660s!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Most welcome, Spence. Here is another coin I have from the 660's. It's an Arab-Sasanian dirham from the Umayyad Caliphate, during the reign of Caliph Mu'awiya, and minted under the name of 'Abd Allah Ibn 'Amir (a companion of the prophet), year AH 43 in DA (Darabjird). The equivalent of AH 43 is AD 663-664.  |
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Ok sweeeet! Another Arab-Sassanian beauty!
We need to hold off on going to the decade of the 650s until tomorrow. We should be getting some Byzantine collectors joining in soon...
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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@J1M, could you please provide a link to that Wayback Machine website? Sure, here it is. Only goes up to 48 though. The transliteration seems weird as well (as if it is snipped on some symbol). [EDIT: tried to fix the URL] Edited by january1may
05/16/2017 01:53 am
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While we wait for someone to post their coin from the 650s, I thought that it would be nice to post one of my very few gold coins. This is a Tremissis from the Byzantine Empire that was minted between 662 and 668 AD in Syracuse. The obv. inscription is DN CONSTANINVS PP AV while the rev inscription is VICTORIA AVG4 C and CONOB. It is attributed as Seaby 1102. While I do like the portrait of Constans II on the obv, my favorite detail is the elongate cross potent on the rev.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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heres one that fits I guess.  Constans II, with Constantine IV, Heraclius, and Tiberius Ar Hexagram 23mm, 6.66g Constantinople mint, struck 659-668. Obverse: Draped facing busts of Constans II, wearing plumed helmet, and Constantine IV, wearing crown; above, cross Reverse: dE#1063; [S ADI#1063;TA ROmANIS] Cross potent set on globe above three steps; crowned and draped figures of Heraclius and Tiberius standing facing to either side, each holding globus cruciger. DOC 57. MIB 152. SB 998. |
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Great coin @arnoldoe! Based on the original rules of this thread set up by Medieval (see #4 below), I think that your coin qualifies to move us past the 650s and on to the decade of the 640s! Quote:
4. The active decade changes at midnight (CCF time) once a coin has been posted with a date falling into the decade or an undated coin with a minting period of not more than 10 years starting in the active decade. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Great coin. I also have a coin from the 650's, which is the first Islamic coin to ever be minted (even the reference is A-1 in Album's checklist)., an Arab-Sasanian dirham minted during the reign of the third Rashidun Caliph 'Uthman Ibn 'Affan year AH 31 in Sijistan, equivalent to AD 651-652.  |
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It is good to see the activity in this thread.  |
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