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Nice! If I recall, a batzen is something like a gros?
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1522 -- Kempten, 1/2 batzen:   |
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As part of my ongoing German history lesson, I see that Kempten is just 10 miles from Isny, the previous coin!: I also can't help noticing that double eagle looks an awful lot like the one on the coin here that was never identified: http://goccf.com/t/314420And finally, anyone know the geographical boundaries of the use of the batzen vs. the groschen? Personally, I think I have batzen denominated coins from places in current day Switzerland, Austria and southern Germany. Just curious if there was any logic to where this denomination appeared. Edited by tdziemia
05/17/2018 08:09 am
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05/17/2018 11:32 am
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anyone know the geographical boundaries of the use of the batzen vs. the groschen? I don't, but I agree that the Batzen feels more Swiss while the Groschen feels more German. Then again, Isny, Kempten, and Augsburg (the minting location for the Batzen below) are all in Southern Germany, relatively close to the border with Switzerland. According to wikipedia, the Batzen as a denomination started in Bern, Switzerland. Here is a Batzen from the German Bishopric of Augsburg dated 1522 AD. The attribution is Schulten 39, although it is also pretty close to Saurma 1452.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Then again, Isny, Kempten, and Augsburg (the minting location for the Batzen below) are all in Southern Germany, relatively close to the border with Switzerland We also have Nordlingen, Regensburg and Ottingen (my coin for tomorrow) using the Batzen, all somewhat farther north than the three you mention. So it seems the southermn half of current Bavaria were using the Batzen in early 16th c. based on coins posted here. Maybe also Baden (which also borders on Switzerland) |
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1521 -- Lithuania, 1/2 groat:   |
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Ottingen 1 batzen 1521. Saurma 1419. The reverse shows St. Sebastian. A church in Ottingen is dedicated to him, and some of his relics are at Ebersberg, also in Bavaria. St. Sebastian was a popular subject in Renaissance art. According to Christian tradition, he was a French born Roman soldier who was secretly a Christian. When Diocletian learned he was converting other soldiers, he had him shot through with arrows, but Sebastian survived. He was later clubbed to death, in 288 A.D. Following the images of the coin is a typical artistic rendition of the time (Bellini in the 1460s), with Sebatian tied to a tree and pierced by multiple arrows.    Edited by tdziemia
05/18/2018 07:00 am
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pepactonius Wow! 1521 Lithuanian half-groat is not usual coin, really rare and 79BI in our book 
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Apparently neither I or the seller realized that this 1/2 groat was uncommon. I was just looking for something from 1521 for my OFEY collection.
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I've got a 1/2 Groschen from Lithuania too, but I seem to recall that mine is pretty common (Kopicki 3160 and Huletski 205N9):   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I assume @giedrius list is longer than shown, because your variety is not there, best I can tell (no annulets after LITVANIE). I'll start 1520 with this half gros from Swidnica, same type as posted by pepactonius for 1524   |
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1520 -- Hungary, 1 denar:   |
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Spence There's Your coin in our book, 79AD: 
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