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My Proposal For Redesigning The American Coinage.

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Yet people seem to cope, slot machines get changed and the country doesn't fall apart...
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There are municipalities near me with an 8.5% sales tax that works out just fine without a Half Cent! Proper rounding evens it out.

Bring back the Half Cent!
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Bring back the Half Cent!
Noooo!


Well, not for circulation. I would not complain it they did something for the mint sets.
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it's not easy tucking a crown sized coin into a G-string




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Bring back the Half Cent!


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I would not complain it they did something for the mint sets.

Yes, and the Twenty Cent as well. Can you imagine with modern tech how nice that they would look? Imagine fully struck proof bust Half Cent?
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Can you imagine with modern tech how nice that they would look? Imagine fully struck proof bust Half Cent?
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There are too many Federal, State, and Local taxes that would be affected

As has been pointed out many many times, loss of the one cent will have no effect on taxes or tax rates.


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it's not easy tucking a crown sized coin into a G-string

Since when in the Loonie crown sized? Even the Twoonie isn't crown sized.


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Bring back the Half Cent!

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Yes, and the Twenty Cent as well.

Well if you are going to do that why not go all out and bring back the two and Three Cent pieces (both types), and how about the large cent as well.
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Well if you are going to do that why not go all out and bring back the two and Three Cent pieces (both types), and how about the large cent as well.


I'd be cool with that. Do it as a set of US coin designs.

Actually what I'd like to see is them do a series in which over a decade they produce modern restrikes of all major US type coins on their appropriate denominations and metal compositions. For example in 2022 youd get a denominal set of flowing hair, next year draped bust, next year capped bust, ect, etc. I'd buy that US mint product.
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Buy a silver proof set, get a "free" 2021 proof silver Three Cent piece!
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On the question of discontinuing the one cent piece:
Not a question of "should" but "could":

When the U.S. Post Office introduced the "Forever" stamp
the last obstacle to "could" was removed. One cent "make up"" stamps
could be sold for a nickel or a dime or whatever the lowest denomination
coin still existed.
Commerce would just cope.

Once I stood in line for 15 minutes to buy two, one cent stamps.
My receipt: a total of Two Cents.
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GET RID of ALL the DEAD HEADS!
Some old statute that was frequently ignored says that each coin design should be used at least 25 years. The Lincoln Cent has been around 111 years. The Washington quarter is coming up on 100. The nickel and dime are coming up on 100 years in the next couple decades. I would like to see them and the other Dead Heads changed to darn near anything else.
The only Dead Heads I even find attractive are the Lincoln Wheat cent and the Sac dollar. But none of the portraits come close to the masterpiece on the Buffalo nickel. The reverses need help, too. The esteemed Q. David Bowers feels buildings don't look good on coins, and compares the Lincoln Memorial to a streetcar. The shield seems no more inspired. The image of Monticello is as dull as the Memorial reverse, and I am barely sure what the reverse of the Roosevelt dime looks like. I assume it has something to do with the March of Dimes, due to Roosevelt's affliction with polio, but the March of Dimes is no longer as well known as it once was.
The American coins of the early Twentieth Century, gold, silver, and nickel, are all artistic and attractive. I would love to see anything else that is inspired and artistic again.
All the recently issued circulating commemorative quarters and dollars show what the 21st Century mint is capable of. It could make really beautiful modern designs to replace the tired old Dead Heads. Maybe Franklin's Tower or something.
Out with the old and in with the new.
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Well if you are going to do that why not go all out and bring back the two and Three Cent pieces (both types), and how about the large cent as well.
Yes, yes, and oh yeah, yes!

I would rather have ten different denominations than ten differt quarter designs.
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Maybe we should start putting some metal back in the coinage - numismatics would have a huge revival if all coins were copper, gold, silver again. Even if it was just a small nugget of gold in a large base metal coin.
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1. Ditch the penny

Agreed, with inflation (that comes with regular economic growth) single pennies are so worthless now. Other than using them to round to the exact change, I don't think they're used in any other way. I've even removed it from my car change and now it's sitting in a plastic bag in my office, lol (don't worry, I've already scoured it for anything valuable and didn't turn up anything). But there are a lot of people against getting rid of the penny because of Lincoln -- the US Mint wanted to get rid of it, but because people and hence Congress was so against that, the Mint changed the composition to zinc because it was the cheapest.


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2. The nickel retains the same size and shape, but it will have Lady liberty (similar to the one in Mercury dime, but without wings) on the obverse and the classic buffalo on the reverse.
3. The dime has the seated liberty on the obverse like in this pattern coin https://sep.yimg.com/ca/I/uspatterns_2270_36665103 , I'd prefer the breast to be exposed tho! the reverse depicts the Liberty Bell.
4. The quarter depicts an Indigenous face, but this time an actual person, Sitting Bull on the obverse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting_Bull, the reverse shows a grizzly bear, similar to the one in Canadian coin.
5. The Half dollar portrays Martin Luther King, Jr. on the obverse with a flying bald eagle holding an olive branch on the reverse.
Before going into dollar coins, it is assumed that the production of the one-dollar bill has been ceased.
6. The one-dollar coin will have the shape and size of an Australian 50 cent coin (slightly bigger than the half dollar, but not as big as ikes), portraying standing liberty, similar to the US administered Philippines peso https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4634.html and a full seated portrait of Abraham Lincoln on the reverse https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7312...28d50a_k.jpg
7. A bimetallic $2 coin the size of half dollar, featuring Morgan on the obverse with the image of George Washington crossing the Delaware River on the reverse.

Seems like you're a classic US coins lover. Rather than returning to 19th century coinage themes (generally speaking), I think we should focus on a new theme. I feel (as a non-US-classic coin collector) that 19th century coinage was focused on "Lady Liberty" designs, and the 20th century focused on presidents and founding fathers. The 21st century should be something different, I think the State Quarters and ATB series is a step in the right direction, but they should be more permanent/static designs instead of 5 new ones per year.

I do agree with dollar and 2 dollar coins, but Americans just don't like change (LOL, pun intended). That's one advantage when I travel to a country that uses them (which is pretty much every country I visit haha).


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Now I am a coin collector, and it rattles my nerves that people say get rid of the cent, while we been slugging around halves and dollar coins since the 80s that never get used.and rarley got used pre 1980s even.getting rid of the cent leads to getting rid of the nickel since it becomes the new cent. then that leads to getting rid of the dime ect.

The difference there is a penny doesn't buy you anything today in a store, whereas a half dollar can.


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being from Canada, we saw the 1 dollar and 2 dollar bill get replaced by coins in 1987, and the world didn't come to an end... although the exotic dancers weren't all that thrilled... it's not easy tucking a crown sized coin into a G-string

Oh that's a terrible image. Queen Elizabeth II wouldn't approve of the view down there...


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if the nickel goes, so does the quarter...

While true that probably won't happen for another century at least. For example I visited Rio back in March and tried to collect as many good specimens of their coinage. I was basically told no one uses the 1 centavos (R$ 0.01) coin anymore because it fell into disuse after massive inflation. Coinage needs to be flexible and tied to the times. So if a quarter can buy you something today (and it can obviously) then it's still useful to keep around.


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Yet someone coming back to the USA after 50 years would have no trouble spending the coins and currency they brought back from their previous visit, but in the UK not a single coin or note from 1970 is still legal tender. We changed to decimals in 1971 and have since added new denominations, reduced the size of others and we redesign our banknotes every 15 years or so. The same goes for most of Europe. Spain introduced a completely redesigned coinage and new banknotes between 1982 and 1989 only to see them all replaced by the Euro in 2002.

Well, changing to the decimal system is such a giant overhaul of course pre-1970 coinage isn't legal tender in the UK anymore. That's comparing apples to oranges. Introducing new designs by themselves also doesn't obviate their value as legal tender. I'm fairly certain if I wanted to pay something with a Morgan dollar today I still can, not that I'd want to lol. As far as I'm aware there are no US laws forbidding using coinage of a certain age. And don't forget the US does introduce new $100, $50, $20, $10, and $5 bills on about the same cadence as European countries.
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Some old statute that was frequently ignored says that each coin design should be used at least 25 years.

Actually it wasn't ignored until after they put the presidents on the coins, Before that it followed even more strictly than needed. The law said the designs MAY be changed no more often every 25 years, the mint and Treasury officials took it to mean that they MUST be changed every 25 years. Mint correspondence for the time periods coming up on the 25th year for various designs spoke of HAVING to change the designs to comply with the 1890 law.

Once they put the presidents on the coins then changing designs suddenly became political. In 1940 there were questions in the correspondence about whether it would be legal to delay the changing of the designs of the dime and half dollar what with all the work load producing coins for other countries, and other war preparation work being done. but there was no discussion about removing Lincoln from the cent, even though it was well past the 25 year point for the cent. Once you get the presidents on the coins no one wanted to take the political heat of suggesting their removal. The Buffalo nickel HAD to be changed in 38 because of the 25 year "rule", but not a peep about changing Lincoln even though he had been on the coin for almost 30 years.
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And why should there be any coins used or needed? Ditch 'em all!

And since we're on the subject why not just do everything from our phones using Bitcoin or such?

Better yet, why not just implant a chip so we don't have to worry about losing the phone. Then we won't have to worry at all anymore. Everything will be perfect!


So every purchase can be tracked/monitored/data collected. The result is we get more e-spam sent our way, and entities other than the buyer and seller know what has been transacted...and at what cost.

Personally if I had the money to make a purchase of a nice coin, its no one's business but my own. And I really don't want any record of what I have bought (and how much was spent). And yes, if I bought something better I would pay cash anyway.

The amount of money coming out of our pockets also increase since the people who love to find new ways of taxing everything would be able to note every single (even) small .25 to .50 purchase at a a garage/hobby related sale/flea market and collect taxes on it. And if people think there would not be tracking of the system, then please do some historical research on things that have been started innocently in the past and altered with time.

As an example, I remember both my sets of grandparents (I am 58) saying when social security numbers were first introduced, the populace was saying they were definitely against the idea of each person having a registered number with the government. The numbers could be used to easily for unnecessary tracking of their business/lives. My grandparents said the government was assuring everyone the SS number would never be used for anything except SS benefits. Uh huh.

And, BTW, for people in urban areas, there still is a lot of life outside the urban bubble where cash/change is exchanged in rural and semi-rural areas. Farmer's markets, roadside people selling off corn and other produce they picked that morning, garage sales, flea markets, hobby get togethers, and other places still exist where change/cash passes back and forth.

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