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Coin Of 1609 To Identify

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any ideas for the identification of this coin ? albert



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France - Feudal (Ardennes, Arches-Charleville Principality) 1 Liard

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19661.html

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Looks like France, Nevers & Rethal
2 liard
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Hmm, my Krause agrees more with Albert. It appears to be a two liard from Nevers & Rethel (attribution KM#12). Obv inscription is CAR GONZ D NIV ET RETH while rev inscription is SVP PRINCEPS ARCHENSIS. Size for a two liard should be about 25 mm. Ardennes just seems to far north in France, but maybe someone else can support rooneydog.
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THanks to everybody for the identification . I believe that the two identification are right as Rethel is situated at the border of the Ardennes , not far from Charleville .The 'Principaute d'Arches' has been created by CharlesIII duke of Nevers and Rethel ,when he founded the city of Charleville ( named after himself : city of Charles ).
I also believe that Krause uses the name of Nevers-Rethel in his catalogue and others use the name Arches-Charleville . What is your opinion ?
coin : 2 liards , 24 mm , 3.5 gr , axe 6 h . albert
http://www.cgb.fr/ardennes-principa...30455,a.html
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the solution in on the coin in the inscriptions :
obv : Charles de Gonzague duke of nevers and rethel
rev :souvereign prince of Arches
the crowned arms are the arms of Mantua in Italy . albert
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I can appreciate your observation about Krause and others regarding names of locations. I include this link to a group that specializes in coins and questions about your topic. It looks like a wonderful resource especially for really old locations and rulers.

https://ca.groups.yahoo.com/neo/gro...country/info

It's called "Every Country Collectors Group and here is a note about it:
The Everycountry group is a forum for advanced world coin collectors who collect one coin per country or per coin issuing authority, A to Z. Members discuss and research coins from different countries, especially unusual or hard-to-find locations.
Our 7,500-line checklist, which is continually being refined and expanded, includes emergency coinage, local coinage, siege coins, and rebel issues.
New members are always welcome.
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