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Pillar of the Community
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Not sure what the point is here. There was no claim of grade, no claim of it being silver, absolutely nothing wrong about the listing at all. I use those exact same slabs. Ever consider that may well be a business name? So, were I to put one of my Morgans up that I have slabbed the same way and put D Squared Coins on the label, I would be a target of your derision as well.
This whole thing of posting peoples listings and bashing them is getting a bit out of hand.
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A quick Google search will show that Beverly Hills Bullion is a store and that they have many items put into these identical slabs. I see no mention of grade, no misleading claims of the item being silver when it isn't. Maybe I'm missing something, but why is a retailer protecting its produdcts in plastic slabs and putting their own label on it a bad thing?
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Pillar of the Community
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@smokeriderdon Now, I will admit that I can be catty by nature, and by and large I'm not that cynical about people's intentions.... my point was really just to post some interesting listings. I think a "Genuine" SBA dollar is quite unusual considering its age and desirability. I find it also interesting to offer a "genuine" uncirculated common-date Wheat cent for eleven times its retail value. As for Beverly Hills Bullion? Well, if you read a listing that leaves some doubt as to what the seller is implying with the listing- then I think it's worth noting. If the thread isn't worth reading, that's a decision you'll have to make. |
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The point is that there was NOTHING implied anywhere in that listing. As VACookey said, I was right. Beverly Hills Bullion is simply the name of the business. So by your comments and line of thinking, they can only sell bullion because otherwise they implied something else through their name. Thats by your words "Even the slab mentions the word "bullion"." And the brief history the seller gave of the composition of the Kennedy halves was just that, a simple history lesson. If anyone garners anything else out of that, I cant rightly say how anyone would get anything extra out of that. As for the other stuff, again, whats the point? Not a single thing you have brought up here deserves snide commentary. These are people simply trying to sell something. Nothing nefarious. If there was something truly false or suspicious then I would be right there with you. |
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I feel I have to make comment on the general aspect of this thread. I too have posted "bash" oriented threads here recently. One on a "collectible" Ike because it was "a rare pocket worn" coin and the other about a prolific lister on ebay who has many early wheat cents listed that look too clean to be real. My purpose for the Ike was simply humor and nothing mean spirited. The second about the wheat cents was out of concern for what seems annecdotal evidence of someone who has fake cents. The second thread being out of worry that in my efforts to collect wheat cents, do I need to now be on the lookout for fakes of non key Lincolns. I think we all need to limit the scope of our "look at this ebay thread" to ones that can truely further our education of this great hobby and not just bash for bashings sake. Edited by unholyroller
10/17/2011 01:29 am
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smokeriderdon, There most certainly IS something implied in that listing. There is no reason whatsoever for the seller's entire description to focus the history of the composition of Kennedy halves, with so many mentions of silver. Why does he list the fine details of the coins make up EXCEPT the composition (despite having a "composition" heading? Why is it slabbed? It could more easily and cheaply be put in an airtite. Both of these things are ways to suggest the item is silver without actually saying it (i.e. plausible deniability). It reminds me of those gold Buffalo ads where they go on and on about the real US gold buffalo $50 coins then smoothly transition into their gold plated copy with 10mg. of .9999 pure gold. They may not be lying, but they hope you don't really understand what they are saying. I'm not saying this is as bad as the gold buffalos, just that it is along the same lines. I do agree that the name of the business itself should not be considered misleading, but the rest of the description is. |
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Ok, before everyone takes this thread too seriously... I am just using this space to point out some things I find curious. A common date proof set for $250? Kind of ridiculous, and maybe by mentioning it it will help somebody stay on their guard. Remember, each and every one of us bought our first coin before understanding what it was we were looking for and every single one of us got taken advantage at one time or another when buying a coin. Sometimes our excitement gets the best of us and we make a bad decision- and sometimes a seller gets lucky and passes off a coin to a buyer who doesn't exactly know what they are doing.
I myself, despite collecting coins since 1985 am not an expert by any means. I still look at my coins as a piece of history, an opportunity to learn something, and a thing of beauty. I'm not placing myself above any collector or reputable dealer. I'm not even trying to expose any seller as being dishonest... just finding curious listings and cataloging them for other people to look at and maybe scratch their heads...
The fact that I've several times had to explain myself makes me think there is no value to the thread... in which case I will stop. If I get some replies saying to keep going- I'll take that under advisement.
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Pillar of the Community
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Saruma, bull. I have my Morgans in those EXACT same slabs. I know exactly why they have them in those. They look nice. AND you can easily put a label in the slab with their name on it. It makes advertizing your business a lot easier. Putting them in an airtight isn't going to do squadoosh for advertizing. As for the history lesson. I have done the same thing in many of my listings. A brief history of the item I am selling. It is different from those adds you mention by a long shot. A history of the Kennedy halves REQUIRES mentioning silver at least three times. What would you have him do? "The Kennedy half dollar was first minted in 1964 the year after his head was hollowed out by the spooks. The end" Thats about all he COULD say without being accused of questionable practices going by the parameters set here. |
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-P-Wash...em3a6b88e5afOk, first and foremost, I was an English major. I could diagram this guy's sentence structure and demonstrate why the listing was either poorly applied or purposefully misleading. Frankly, it's just a copy and paste job that he/ she uses for all their Kennedy half dollar Listings. But check out this listing. It's for an uncirculated bicentennial Washington quarter or is it for a proof quarter that is double struck with special dies? Again, a purposefully misleading listing providing information that is certainly accurate, but not accurately or relevantly applied to the listing. You may not have interest in following this thread- but I'm 100% right about this seller.
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Pillar of the Community
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Again, likely the exact same thing I have done before. Copy and pasting the wrong description into a posting. Just to clear this particular one up, I am gonna email the guy.
Aside from that, were the item a proof coin, that description was PERFECT. Brief informative and to the point.
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Pillar of the Community
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And there ya go. When I asked him about it, he pulled the item.
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Pillar of the Community
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He pulled the item? Why? All he had to do was alter the description... why pull it? did he say?
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Pillar of the Community
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No he didnt. And I have tried to alter bid items before and not been able to do it. I think once its up for bid you cant alter anything...I think.
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