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In the words of P.T.Barnum, "There's a sucker born every minute"
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Canada
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ebay announce via email on 17 January, no more replica coins in ebay starting 20 February 2012.eBay define replica coins as a copy or reproduction of an actual coin, including US, foreign and other historic coins. This includes any replica coin whether it is permanently incused with "COPY" or "REPLICA". This also includes oversized and mini replica coins and replica coins made into belt buckles and jewelry. There are also rumors going around that plated silver coins will be next. Read more: http://sea.ebay.com/news/update/201...17/3881.html*** Edited by Staff to change link to original source. ***
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France
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Well, the issue is that most of the time, replicas are anyway not marked as such ...
How will they handle that ?
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 United States
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"There are also rumors going around that plated silver coins will be next."
--- They should do that... those silver-plated copper slags are made for the sole purpose of being sucker bait. Every time I look at one of them, the seller tries to be super vague about the content...
"Well, the issue is that most of the time, replicas are anyway not marked as such ... How will they handle that ?"
--- They won't handle anything, aside from maybe knocking off the bulk Chinese replica factories. Though, to be fair, they have gotten better pulling obvious nefarious items (presumably from specific requests). They must have 1 or 2 people who have a clue working that department now...
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France
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Sometime when I report crap (I'm particularly meticulous about fake coins sold by Debodoslaurus among others, as I have fakes from him which he won't take back) - they answer me that they forwarded my request to one of their two watch groups. From what I understand, one of them being coin community. Is anyone here is in this watch group, or are there only peoples more used to US coins only ? |
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United States
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Interesting post. I noticed that both coins were 1739 - is this a common date to fake or just coincidence? I picked up a 1739 2 reales at a junk silver place last week and I'm wondering what I should look for to check whether it's real or not. What should I be on the lookout for? I'm especially worried since I noticed this guy is located in Boonville, CA, not too far from me.
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02/04/2012 2:22 pm
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France
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patrick : can you post pictures of your coin ? the two sides, plus the edge (hard to take picture of it ...)
In the meantime, you can check old topics from here, there is a lot of discussion about fake coins.
Anyway, if you took yours in the junk bin, in the worse case you didn't lost too much :)
(this kind of coins is the most copied colonial coin)
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Oh, I didn't remembered this was your post :)
At first glance, the coins look fine.
You should check the edge, if it's still not too damaged (considering the look of the coin, it shouldn't) - you should see two places where the edge pattern stops.
Those two places should be at 12' from each other - it's the first nice hint to know if a coin from this type is safe or not (your mexican 8 reales should display the same behavior as well - sometime it's hard to see).
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Germany
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France
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This one was a specialized coin already, not everyone is buying counterstamps ...
I didn't saw that type of C/S before (I don't know much about those - it's still a dark area for me) - but what don't you like about it ? (struck on a what look like a stone ?)
I suppose it's a was counterstamp from one of the generals fighting for independence - no ?
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Germany
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@MathieuMa:
It is indeed a supposed countermark of Osorno, one of the insurgents.
In this case, one can easily identify the fake counterstamp from its look, knowing other (real) countermarks of the type and the War for Independence in general. Of course, it would be difficult to establish scientific proof (after all, the host coin is an original), but one can train his or her eye over time.
Obviously, the less one knows about the series, the more difficult it is. Nobody can specialize in every aspect of numismatics, and I would say even long-time collectors (and even auction houses) can fall for one or the other fake.
There were even fake counterstamps in the last Cayón auction. One coin that I was bidding on (a Manila counterstamp on an Mexican Republic 8 Reales from Durango) was withdrawn. I suppose somebody with more knowledge than I voiced his concerns :-)
On the other side, another coin with what I would declare to be a fake counterstamp was offered but did not sell (one of three coins with a Salcedo counterstamp of the War for Independence era).
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France
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dosmundos : among the lots I won in this auction, I got one of the manilla C/S (lot 1254) , and another C/S from Lima (lot 1254) - as well as lot 1139 which was made with melted silver (the kind of stuff I would not buy from unsafe sources).
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Germany
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@MathieuMa: Congratulations the Chihuahua 8R of 1811, lot 1139, is an excellent choice, and for the price it went for it is a great buy! 1811 is, of course, an interesting year for War for Independence emergency issues. With this coin, the quality of the cast is really above average, especially for an 1811, and even taking the hole into account. Plus, the "pillars and pomegranade" counterstamp is one of the clearest I have ever seen in the whole series (just compare for the others that were offerd in this auction!). Apparently, people weren't really looking at these facts (or were distracted by the hole), as the coin went for a very good price in my opinion... The Chihuahua casts are not known for problems with forgeries. Even the ones I see on ebay are real ones, only that they tend to be listed with exaggerated starting prices. The simple casts don't sell for high prices, and the more complicated overstrikes of the later years would be really hard to counterfeit. But in the end it will always pay to buy from the known dealers only with these kinds of coins. But one should still do his own research. As far as "safe sources" are concerned, be they Cayón or not, and as much as I admit that they know very much more than I do - in my humble opinion there are serious reasons for doubt in the Salcedo counterstamp lot 1026. |
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France
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Thanks, I actually thought that this one would sell for more, and I was happy winning it :)
It's indeed a great price.
The hole is anyway not that distractive, as it comes from the mint process - in this "type" it was my first choice.
And as you say, the details are excellent for the type ! And the two counterstamps are perfect - particularly the small pillar one, it's the best I've seen.
I actually got 14 coins from this auction (the wallet took a big hit here ...) - I'll post them once I receive them :)
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